Record Number Have you read the background information? What is your relationship to Wallowa County? What's your current or future interests in the East Moraine? Select all that apply. - Selected Choice Selected "Other:" Where do you typically access the moraine? Please select one. - Selected Choice Other, please explain: Have you ever had an unfavortable experience on the Moraine? If so, please explain: Yes, please explain. Do you foresee any opportunities or conflicts between cultural resources and any other uses and/or users on the property? If yes, what are those opportunities or conflicts and how might they be balanced? Do you foresee any opportunities or conflicts between wildlife and other uses and/or users of the property? If yes, what are those opportunities or conflicts and how might they be balanced? Do you foresee any opportunities or conflicts between forestry and any other uses and/or users on the property? If yes, what are those opportunities or conflicts and how might they be balanced? Do you foresee any opportunities or conflicts between grazing and any other uses and/or users on the property? If yes, what are those opportunities or conflicts and how might they be balanced? Do you use the East Moraine for recreational purposes? Displayed if Yes to last: Which of the following recreational uses do you participate in on the East Moraine? (Select all that apply) Other (please describe): What conflicts, if any, have you experienced with other users or user groups on the East Moraine? Please describe. Do you foresee any opportunities or conflicts between recreation and any other uses and or/users on the property? If you own a pet, the Wallowa Lake Moraines Partnership acknowledges that pets can have various and considerable impacts to wildlife, cattle, and other users. How would you like to see pets controlled on the East Moraine? Orther(please describe): Do you have any recommendations which encourage users to acknowledge and respect the rights of private lands and landowners? In order to balance accessibility to the East Moraines scenic views while remaining respectful of the landscapes natural setting, the following options have been discussed. Are you in favor of any of the following options (select): Other/Suggestions to Accesibility Would you be in favor of event uses? If so, what events, if any, would you would be in favor of holding on the East Moraine? Select all that apply. Special Events: Other, please explain: Do you have any suggestions on how events could be held while balancing and preserving the natural setting and other uses on the East Moraine? The management and maintenance of this property for multiple uses will take continued funds. Please click your level of support for the following income generating measures - Donation Boxes The management and maintenance of this property for multiple uses will take continued funds. Please click your level of support for the following income generating measures - Special Fundraising Events The management and maintenance of this property for multiple uses will take continued funds. Please click your level of support for the following income generating measures - Special Use Event Permits (non motorized) The management and maintenance of this property for multiple uses will take continued funds. Please click your level of support for the following income generating measures - Special Use Event Permits (including low impact motorized use) The management and maintenance of this property for multiple uses will take continued funds. Please click your level of support for the following income generating measures. Other: Is there anything else we did not mention that you'd like to share in regards to the East Moraine Management Plan? - Selected Choice Yes, please explain:
1 I have read the background information. Occasional Visitor (less than once/year) Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: I have not accessed the east moraine as of yet. No.   No conflicts that I am aware of. No conflicts that I am aware of. Active forest management could promote stand health and maintain and possibly enhance aesthetic quality. No conflicts that I am aware of. No       I foresee possibly only minor temporarily conflicts between these pursuits. Other (please describe): Stricter pet control during heavy visitor use and/or possible wildlife conflict. Install boundary signs. Suggestions: Motorized access allowed for elderly and handicapped only. I am not in favor of special events.   No. Support Support Do Not Support Do Not Support   No.  
2 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Not yet. Keep it "non-motorized". I favor managing the forest to make it as healthy and visually pleasing as possible. If selective thinning and commercial harvest help to meet the goals for a healthy, attractive forest, I'm not opposed. Hikers need to be aware they might encounter livestock. Yes Hiking   None yet.   On Leash at all times   Signage. Frequent benches/resting places   I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
3 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Other (please explain): Serious interest that the moraine be used, besided for recreation, and scenic preservation, be used as an experimental opportunity for the community and esp children. That modern forest and grass land science be adopted as the beginning. That local and college/university students conduct base-line dta collection, and then a variety of forest and grazing strategies be conducted, to bring the ecosystems back to a natural and healthy state. We need this kind of experiment and real life data. There should Not be conventional grazing and forestry. The area is so insignificantly small in terms of any monetary resource value it would be ludicrous waste to let some log and graze it in the conventional/traditonal sense. Since modern history, it has been over-grazed and over-logged (high -graded) so is now in a far from optimal and healthy state. Besides some educational plots, the vast majority of the site should be left for walking for locals and visitors. That is its greates dingle value. It has exceptional visual values. Seeing the lake, Wallowas, Seven Devils, the Zumwalt and the valley is actually a rare and unmatched opportunity. think about it, having people enjoy the view, revel in nature, have quiet and natural setting forests, grasslands, and some solitude, and stunning scenic visuals--is unmatched and its true merit. Any logging, except to, in the least invasive fashion, (like minimal horse logging) for forest-health would be a huge mistake and of minimal economic value for certain. Grazing at all would be a travesty as there are few ungrazed areas for nature to take its course, plus, the noise, stink, and flies and all the degradation of an intorduced/non-native speicies is antithetical to quiet, recreation and natural values. Other, please explain: Every location. I have hiked, skied, birded, and mostly just enjoyed the place. Mountain bikes, horses, and the like would only detract from the vast majority of people who do not recreate in those ways. both of those, and motorized use (as well as forestry and grazing) can be done on the other 3100 sq miles of Wallowa County, right? Yes, please explain: Only extremely loud vehicles and boats to disrupt the solitude. Little to be done about that. Caring for and planning for---and limiting uses---so visitors can have an experience that as closely resembles how the Nimiipuu experienced it would be by far the most respectful and least conflicting with the cultural context and resources. Making this treasure a little Disney operation with mountain bike ripping around, horses and their associated conflicts and flies ( only a tiny minority of locals or visitors would ever ride here.), and worst of all, buzzing chainsaws, skidders, cattle stink and flies, would be a disgrace rather than a celebration of the true and rare cultural heritage here. Though the 'plan' and sales pitch to get local support was to maintain forestry and grazing practices--- please do not think of that as necessitating either of these. Many of course believe that only through cutting trees of and grazing the grass can there be healthy or worthy places. Most of us would agree that the Eagle Cap Wilderness and others, and National Parks, are of unapparelled value to us and the society and the future. This local treasure can be a new way of looking at such places. Emphasizing nature, rehabilitation efforts, leaving most of it alone, as both a control for any studies, and to let nature take its course, would let wildlife flourish in its most natural way. Many studies including those at the (due to Covid19) have shown that increasing human density, mechanized presence (including mountain bikes), cause wildlife to move away. If you take the current plans to allow forestry and grazing and other consumptive uses, and allow and even promote horse and mountain bikes, then will trapping and hunting also be allowed? All do clearly conflict with wildlife. I do not know, but assume that the moraine crest and topography are essentially wildlife movement corridors. the 'elk' fence should be removed as a major impediment to all kinds of wildlife movement. Who does it benefit? The general public, or moraine users, or wildlife? Or just a few farmers and ranchers in a minor way. This new project and planning could and should be used to find new ways to coexist between humans and wildlife and economic prominence that is all around the moraine, but need not be on the moraine itself. This is a chance to shift the focus and emphasis from the old 'we will gouge a living from the land at all costs---from Native inhabitants, wildlife, and degradation of natural resources only for short-term profit for a few--to a new paradigm and as an educational opportunity, to protect and enhance wildlife and nature, while letting people quietly cross the land with minimal impact. This provides a rare chance in modern society for people to slow down, and reflect and find value in nature: a much needed reconnection that has been lost by in large. "In keeping with the history" --- would be Not retain forestry practices. History did not begin 150 years ago. The vast history of this land was that it was existing without intervention from humans. And then, for approx. the last 10,000 mostly an increase in burning of the understory. Just because Wallowa county and most of the west have been heavily logged, cleared, sanitized, dammed and farmed is not really a good argument nor reason to do that on this small parcel of land. Yes, of course there is conflict. Direct conflict with and kind of quiet recreation. Closing areas of course impacts the place at those times. Anybody who as ever seen logging knows it is not a 'natural' practice nor results in a visual experience anything resembling natural processes. Invariably weeds are an issue and so spraying toxins will occur. The visual blight lasts for decades. How does logging Not negatively effect the general goals of the majority of interested users, wildlife and the future? Well, we have always done it that way." That is a common human comment. Just because the moraine has been grazed by cattle in the last couple hundred years ( of course by horses since the Spaniard brought them to this land) is not a great reason nor an imperative to keep doing it. The vast majority of Wallowa County is grazed. Allotments on the publics' land extend to the boundaries of the wilderness, and grazing has occurred their and on the Hells Canyon National Recreation Area. What is a good reason to graze this small and unique place that almost anyone would agree blessed magnificently with scenic value, natural value, and possibilities of quiet and natural wandering about. (I can think of no way in which past and current logging and grazing practices have 'improved' this land we are considering.) Cattle or any livestock are non-native. They produce a lot of manure that attracts lots of flies. Horse flies are not valued by most of the public when they are recreating. The livestock bring in non-native and noxious plants in their guts and on their hides when moved in. Livestock make unnatural noises, are not a native creature in any way and no one wants to hike or picnic, etc near cattle. Cow shit is not a pleasant thing to be around as most people know. You cannot really 'balance' grazing and forestry with al the other more important and rare values of this place. Simply, they should not occur. Yes Hiking,Mountain/trail biking,Skiing,Other (please describe): While i have mountain biked on the moraine a few times, I do not believe it is an appropriate activity in this location. Biking by its nature is a 'head-down' activity and typcially quite fast. Biking conflicts with the majority of walking users becasue of the different speeds. Most bikers are out for some excercise and/or a thrill. They can do it almost anywhere, and since it conflicts with the quiet and slower walkers, I do not think it is appropriate. Horse riding is similar in that horses alos cause a special type of trail damage as do bikers. Also, walkers, bikers and horse should not be sharing the same trails for many obvious reason--mostly safety and enjoyment. Hunters on the moraine disrupt the solitude, increase risk to other users. They kill the wildlife most locals and visitors would like observe alive. Having a mix of uses can cause conflicts as both resent the other. Again, hunting is allowed on almost all public land in the county nd state and much of private land, where as this is a special and rare and relatively small area that will probably soon host many, many walkers/tourists. I have hike, and biked in places where there is active and past logging, grazing, horse riders (and pack animals) and the conflicts are numerous ---from destruction of scenic values to basic safety among a mix of users.   Other (please describe): Though I have a dog and have walked dogs on the moraine, I feel they should not be allowed at all for reasons of conflict with the predominate use. Again, we can walk or run our dogs almost anywhere else. If they are allowed, they should be on leash only. they disturb be looking for a quiet and peaceful exprience. Barking/pooping/chasing wildlife, etc. Small, discrete, not bright, signs that mark private land. They should encourage respect, and note a trespass fine will be assesed through enforcemnet. . Suggestions: We could make this place totally accesible to all. Paved roads, handicap accesible. Gazebos, platforms, benches everywhere. Horses, mountain bikes, cars and vans or electric shuttles..... Or, we could leave as natural as possible. When I can no longer walk around up there, well then, I no longer will. Should we punch a road across the middle of the Eagle Caps so those that cannot or so not want to hike in can see its beauty? I hope the moraine will have the least human impacts in terms of machines, vehicles, logging/grazing, benches, signs, gates, groomed wide, manicured trails, and all the like. Its basically fine the way it is just now. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): All no, except for small groups for educationl or scientific purposes, that wlak in and out. Do not have them. Again--these events can be held almost anywhere else. This is the kind of thing and reason people wanted to 'preserve' the moraine --so it would not be a commercial Disney experience. Strongly Support       Less funds will be needed if minimal structures and trails and weeds, etc are part of the mix. Reduce the need. If money is really ans issues...fundraisers not on the moraine can occur. That should work...if not, a season and day pass could be sold. Yes, please explain: This is a very rare, exceptional place. Please please do not treat it like it is like all the other acreage/farms/timber lands, etc in the county. It is not. We have a chance to use modern, innovative, and light-touch techniques on this small bit of land. Let it be, celebrate it by preserving it---not building, gouging, altering it. My guess is soon it will have hundreds of people a day using it...if not more. Impacts will become a problem. Look ahead and do not help damage it or the possible experience. Thank you.
4 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Interested in community ownership and management model Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   Any multi-use property will have opportunities for mutual benefits / goals and the potential for conflicts. The challenge is to maintain an open, inclusive process that brings clear understanding of the trade-offs and the decision-making process. The most important thing is to maintain the long-term values, conditions, opportunities. No permanent degradation or loss of cultural resource, soil conditions, forest and grassslands. Manage short-term trade-offs to accommodate different uses and values. If this is promoted for public use, and public use expands - that use, along with grazing - will significantly impact wildlife use of the habitat. Most animals will move away from that much activity - other generalists and those that adapt easily to human presence will remain. A fair bit of this work can be undertaken during the lower public use seasons - particularly in the northern / drier stands dominated by ponderosa pine and douglas fir. The higher elevation stands to the south are not typically used by visitors to the property so shouldn't pose much of a conflict outside of the noise and occasional truck traffic. From time to time (probably infrequent) the steeper slope facing the lake will need to be managed which will be highly visible. Good communication, and education, will help minimize conflict. Work to minimize concentrations of livestock in primary recreational use areas - particularly view points, etc. Locations of salt blocks and watering sources should be carefully considered, and periodic use of temporary electric fencing. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Skiing   None so far. Could foresee conflicts between mountain biking and horse back riding if both activities increase in use.   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Good signs and lots of public information. Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Fundraisers,Education camps,Other (please describe): OK with some special events - as long as frequency and size of events does not dominate public use season. Needs to be managed at an appropriate frequency and scale. Ideally all events would contribute revenue back to property management.   Support Strongly Support Support Neutral I don't understand what is suggested by limited low impact motorized use as a special event No.  
5 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Operator,Neighboring landowner,I view it   Other, please explain: Other Private Yes, please explain: People Disrespectful of Private Property There are those who feel that traditional management practices have no place on "public" land. They need more education as to the value of grazing and logging. Hunting has traditionally been allowed on the property. Hikers may not like that.... Again- there are those who would not agree There will be opposition Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Hunting,Skiing   People cutting fences   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails     Suggestions: None of the above I am not in favor of special events.   no Do Not Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support No permits necessary No.  
6 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner   Other, please explain: Access across from Iwetymlykin No.   I think most users of the moraine are respectful of the history and culture of this wonderful place. I anticipate a cooperative approach from all parties involved. My answer is the same as the prior question. Again, a collaborative approach is necessary to make a balanced use of this property. Thinning and management of forest lands is an important part of the equation. I do't anticipate any conflicts. This agreement was made openly with this premise included. Yes Hiking   My contacts on the moraine have all been pleasant and without conflict.   Other (please describe): Dogs must be under control of the owner whether responsive to voice, electronics or leash. It depends upon the level of training of the owner and the dog. Signage and clear communication and advertisement is necessary. Suggestions: I would prefer not to see motorized access or visible benches or unnatural objects on the moraine. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks   One of the initial agreements on the preservation of the moraine was to avoid a resort type setting where large events or gatherings were held. There was talk of keeping to the trails rather than spreading out over the landscape. There are other places in the County for large gatherings. Strongly Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
7 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   I feel that to continue the management plan that Bruce had is sufficient and people have respected the land while using it. Keep it the same. Keep it under the same management plan that Bruce had, the east Moraine is full of all of this and everyone is coexisting. Again, follow Bruce's management plan/practices. The past grazing has worked, responsible ranchers do not want to overgraze allotments due to the harm it does for future grazing, nor do you want your animals out of food. Animals will seek out their food source and manage themselves. I do not think that changing the grazing plan would be beneficial and would cause more harm than good. Keep it the same. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   None, everyone that uses it has been respectful of one another.   Other (please describe): People should be able to determine how they control their animal, if they can't stop them when off a leash they need to remain on a leash. Signage, there could be more signs posted to that . Suggestions: Keep it the same, nature has provided her own resting places and allowing motorized access takes away from the experience. Keep it the same. Weddings,Rodeos,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   Follow what Bruce did, his plan worked, why change it? Strongly Support Support Support Neutral   No.  
8 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Other (please explain): Nostalgia/Therapy Other, please explain: I previously accessed the moraine through the most recent housing development at the north end for about 20 years. I now use the trail along the fence line from the foot of the lake Yes, please explain: Fences put up by landowners who claim to control a community trail. I am concerned about non-residents finding another place to over use. Public access is definitely necessary but I would strongly recommend restricting natural resource rights to Nez Perce and local interests. We do not need another area subjected to “wild crafting”. I spend a lot of time on public lands and witness non residents harvesting our local resources frequently and without discretion. Any conflicts will be the fault of humans. I see no need for hunting beyond necessary controls (whitetail deer). I think that responsible resource use will not degrade habitat. Again, respectful resource use will not degrade habitat. Forestry can be done properly. The only conflict will be between grazers and wildlife. I know grazing can be done correctly, but if we are worried about mule deer populations, it might not be the best idea to keep the competition up. Yes Hiking,Skiing   None. Typically see people I know   Voice command   Put up an obvious fence. Also, anyone who claims to own the community trail that runs the length of the moraine deserves the trespass of our citizens. Suggestions: Provide decent trailhead head access with limited parking and put up a few benches. If we over develop there will be over use. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps,Other (please describe): Let's avoid private use of public space. Community events If events are geared toward the local population there will be a better chance that the land will be respected. Any event that requires a port a potty seems stupid on that property. Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Support Neutral   Yes, please explain: There needs to be a discussion about where to direct the high volume of traffic that this “new” public property will receive. Easy trails with easy access will help to mitigate the hordes and keep them from overwhelming the property.
9 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No No All depending on management. Forestry is a very broad term. Grazing is a loosely used term that creates a varying emotion within individuals. Grazing is only relevant in relation to it's management. It can be a wonderful positive thing or horrible atrocity to ecosystem sustainability or recovery. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Hunting   None   On Leash at all times   People should be as respectful as they would expect someone to be if they were showing up uninvited to their home Suggestions: All of the above are intrusions on nature and would detract from part of the reasons I use the moraine Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps,Other (please describe): As long as no permanent infrastructure is needed and there is community benefit I would support it. Minimally Neutral Neutral Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: If the use of this property attempts to be everything to everyone it will only succeed in preserving open space it should be managedfor the undeveloped property that it is not for all the things that everyone thinks it should be.
10 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Shared decision making between NiiMiiPuu is essential and a slow process. Forcing quick decisions is counterproductive in both the short term and especially true in the long run. Proceed with several management options, then respect the Tribal procedures. Build relationships over time to achieve mutual respect. Promises made to the niimiipuu when the1855 treaty was made need to be included as part of the management plan for game animals. All forest harvest should be by selected cutting rather than clear cutting of blocks. Trees that are remnants of old growth forest should no be removed unless unhealthy. Selected dead trees (snags) should be left standing as Habitat for many birds and mammals.
Thinning of Young trees and brush should be done periodically to reduce the possibility of fire. Extreme care must be practiced if prescribed burns are ever utilized as a management tool.
Any time a livestock fence crosses a hiking trail, a human “pass through” needs to be provided in order to prevent people opening fences and not closing them properly. Yes Hiking,Skiing,Other (please describe): Photography None at this time.   Other (please describe): Well trained dogs off leash can still overcome their training and harass wildlife or have antagonistic interactions with other well trained dogs Trail maps identifying available public access are better respected than placing Private Property NO Trespassing signs. Suggestions: Numbers 1, 3, and 4 above. Weddings,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   Development of reservable venues for specific events. These venues should focus such activities while minimizing impact on the natural environment.
Do Not Support Support Strongly Support Do Not Support   No.  
11 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   An opportunity to honor the original indigenous people on this land, which should be a top priority, above all else. If hunting is considered recreation, that might pose a conflict. But perhaps hunting will not be allowed. An opportunity to showcase and educate "sustainable logging." Hoping there will be some of the forested area left to grow as nature would like. I would hope grazing would be well managed to limit the negative impacts, and that bison might be allowed to graze there, too. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Skiing       Voice command   Clear signage, and perhaps handouts available at access points. Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   I am not in favor of special events.   Most events will impact the land significantly. It seems events should be limited to educational tours. Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Thanks for all your great work on this!
12 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   Cultural Preservation can be impacted by Recreational use. Cultural sites should be protected. If the land is used for cattle grazing the domestic and wild grazing could impact each other. Including exposing cattle to wild animal attack since it's popular for wild animal grazing. Animal habit preservation and forestry could conflict, and balancing to ensure that animal habitat is maintained while also maintaining forest fire prevention and maintenance. Recreational use that interacts with domesticated animals could cause problems, particular with those who don't understand the danger of domesticated animals in the same capacity they do wild. Yes Hiking,Trail running   None so far   On Leash at all times   Signs, Fencing, or Other physical barriers Frequent benches/resting places,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Education camps     Strongly Support Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
13 I have read the background information. Occasional Visitor (less than once/year) I view it   Other, please explain: Guided tours No.   Have concerns that recreation overuse will damage the moraine. Hunting, recreation, and logging may disturb the wildlife. Any logging should be controlled. Grazing should be permitted as it always has been practiced in the past. No       Irresponsible recreation could cause damage. On Leash at all times   Signs should designate private lands. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: Don't make it too accessible. I am not in favor of special events.   A supervisor would need to be designated. Do Not Support Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: The moraine has been protected all these years by private landowners and caution must be used to prevent overuse.
14 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: massive amounts of cow manure all along the main trail/road up from the green gate If possible, allow grazing to be confined to certain areas of the moraine, and not 100% overlapping with the few trails up the moraine (as had been the case with the previous owners). Investing in educational/informational landmarks/placards along the moraine, to inform the public of specific cultural and/or historical points of interest, would be a nice way to weave those varying interests together and remind the public of the multi-use focus of the moraine. Be sure to manage for a balanced amount of domestic livestock grazing and wild ungulate forage/grazing. As a community-managed forest, this patch of ground could act as an ideal educational tool, to show actual practices and tangible results of responsible stewardship of the forests; many of which could be translated to other forests and replicated across our region. Focus on shared community learning opportunities, wherever possible, when planning an active management, non-commercial thinning, and/or commercial harvest project. Mentioned earlier - to be strategic about when and where to allow certain grazing practices will not only facilitate the ability of other interests on the moraine (ie. - recreation) to flourish, but it will show how quickly natural habitats can be restored when grazing practices are managed responsibly...again, another ideal public shared learning opportunity. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Other (please describe): photography Sometimes, aggressive dogs off-leash have harassed my dog...but, that is very rare. Most dogs off-leash that have encountered each other have been very well-behaved. But, again, not to keep sounding fixated on cow shit - there have been times during the peak of the grazing season, when the main trail up from the green gate is so covered with fresh manure, that certain hiking parties are forced way off to the edge of the trail, when bikers and other groups are coming from the other direction (less cow manure would allow for more space on the trail for groups to pass freely).   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Posting that information is a good reminder...I think most people are respectful, when reminded...but, oft-times, it's easy to forget that the moraine is bordered by private lands, due to the vast openness of the site. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support parcel tax added to annual property tax bills Yes, please explain: wonderful work, everyone! We will ALL benefit from your efforts and commitment, for generations to come! THANK YOU!
15 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Other (please explain): protection of county lands from over development "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   nope. Forest Service does it all day long, so can we. No - the land has been used for multiple use for decades and wildlife and plants seem to be thriving. Of course, livestock and dogs could be an issue, but I haven't heard the rancher who leases the property complain about this. I suggest leash requirements and not eliminating dog use. As long as the areas being logged have signs and road closures and adequate public info through the radio, newspaper and social media, it should be fine. Opportunities - continued natural resource use of land. Conflicts could include predator management, dogs and livestock, overgrazing, weeds. I am confident that the East Moraine will be a model for good, multi-use management, including grazing as the land can handle it. No       already listed Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   signs. fences. Suggestions: as a hiker and runner, don't see the need for benches/resting places. Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps,Other (please describe): nothing that opens it up to vehicle use for more than a couple hours during any event. already mentioned. Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support   No.  
16 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   If it stays the same as it has been i don't forsee conflict I only see conflicts if the trails are overly developed and become overpopulated. As long as they avoid clear cutting and continue balance thinning and fire management I see no issues To date there have been no conflicts to my knowledge of grazing and recreational or wildlife use. The only time I could see that being a conflict is if the moraine becomes overpopulated with recreational users Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Other (please describe): Snowshoeing The only conflicts I've had horseback riding on the Marine have been disrespectful mountain bikers. And that has been very few and far between. Mostly everybody gets along well.   Other (please describe): If the dogs are reliably under voice command I don't see an issue with them being off leash. People trail riding will not be able to safely keep their dogs on leash. Clearly posting boundaries. Suggestions: Honestly I feel like the moraine should be treated like wilderness. No motorized access. If you want some benches that's fine, but keep it wild, that's what makes it special. Fundraisers,Education camps,Other (please describe): Only in favor of special events that are beneficial to the maintenance and upkeep of the Marine and for education. And they need to not be prohibitive to other uses. Any special events must be setup and broken down in as quickly as possible and not prohibitive of other uses. Strongly Support Support Neutral Do Not Support Annual or day use fees (small and reasonable such as $5/group or $1/person $25/year ect) Yes, please explain: If there will be restricted use there needs to be an online resource people can check before they make the effort of traveling to the Moraine.
17 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: A LOT of cow poop on the trail. I recognize that this is a multiple use area, but it's extreme and disgusting. Keep the cattle, reduce the numbers? The Nez Perce tribe should define conflicts between cultural resources and other uses. I am not a tribal member, so no comment. As long as there is sufficient forage for both mule deer and domestic livestock, no conflict there. Recreational access to the area may need to be limited during critical times for mule deer. That's a trade-off most hikers will understand and accept. As long as timber projects are well-conceived with other interests in mind, and recreational users understand the importance of good timber management, I see no conflict. The key will be keeping everyone engaged and informed. As I mentioned earlier, existing management of cattle has been disappointing, at least from a hiker's perspective. The problem might be solved by more fencing, rotation, etc. But those have costs that are not likely to be justified in terms of cost/benefit. I'm not convinced so many cattle need to be on such steep ground, where they naturally congregate on roads used by others. Some cattle might be good for managing forage, however. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Photography, Birdwatching Other than too much cow poop, none. Everyone has been very polite and respectful.   Voice command   Make sure private land is clearly marked and users are clearly instructed to respect private property. Suggestions: Keep as is. Keep visitation low. I am not in favor of special events.   Popularize this place too much it will be overrun. Minimizing development and amenities will be the best way to achieve the balance sought. Support Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Thanks for all your good work so far!
18 I have read the background information. Full-time resident I view it,Other (please explain): wildlife habitat Other, please explain: i don't No.   mountain bikes are surprisingly destructive. mountain bikes are very disruptive of wildlife. be very careful of wildlife impacts.   No       mountain bikes are disruptive and surprisingly destructive, for wildlife and wildlife habitat. On Leash at all times   Don't trespass. Suggestions: No to all of those. Not needed, walk. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): None of these - there are other places already for all of them for God's sake. There are other places for 'events' - wildlife and wildlife habitat are what is needed, in peace.
Stop thinking the way Californians do.
Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Leave what God has made so perfectly as much as it is as possible. Stop thinking like a Californian would.
19 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: Usually thru Jean Wiggins property. I have known her since 1964 No.   None! If people are afraid of cows maybe, I am not so no proem Be very, very careful about how, and what, you cut! No problem if not over grazed Yes Hiking   None yet   Other (please describe): Mine will be on leash, no pit of control dogs! Need signage or fence, to indicate private property Suggestions: Vehicles restricted to East side of moraine. Only bikes and feet elsewhere I am not in favor of special events.   Prefer no big groups except school kids. We already tried Chief Joseph Days up there😝 Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Do Not Support I of pay an entrance fee No.  
20 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Preserve the moraine as closely as possible to it's historical usage and availability. Other, please explain: Both No.   Lack of understanding on the part of "visitors" to the fencing and protection of grazing animals. Keeping grazing animals safe and secured within their boundaries. Wolves, bears and cattle are not a good mix. Big time. But, what's new? I'm sure someone else will be able to articulate this much more eloquently than I. See prior comments regarding visitors and grazing animals and predators and grazing animals. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Hunting   None             Other (please describe): I believe this to be one of the most difficult decisions to make. I have difficulty seeing how the area can be maintained in a "natural" state if it is open to rodeos, music concerts, fundraisers, etc. This is the most difficult question of all. Strongly Support Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
21 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: Just a few days ago we arrived at the top to be greeted by many cows and a huge mud hole in the trail. Diminished the experience. Not enough information. Last week was our first visit. Yes. Wintering wildlife cannot tolerate the presence of humans, on foot or otherwise. They will leave the area, often running back up into deeper snow. Careful timber thinning is certainly acceptable. As mentioned earlier, livestock was very much a problem on our visit. The top of the ridge should be fenced and protected from grazing. That's where the majority of visitors spend their time from our limited experience. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Photography No conflicts. Motorized use would be an instant conflict.   On Leash at all times   Careful posting of boundaries. Suggestions: It's fine the way it is. I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: I believe the conflict of wintering wildlife and humans will be a major issue.
22 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   Forestry, rec and grazing can impact cultural areas. It's a great opportunity to highlight traditional 4h ional nimipuii uses. Winter range brings predators. Commercial harvest is probably incompatable considering prior logging while a yanke property. Grazing can be a relatively sustainable practice if done correctly. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Skiing   Mountain bikes and horses are incompatable on the same trails.   Voice command   Dont cross fences. If people need to be told not to tresspass, they d ont belong there Suggestions: No. Dont destroy what's there for motorized access. If you can walk or ride in, create a virtual tour at wallowology Other (please describe): One of the benefits of public ownership is that it wont be subdivided and developed. The dark side is itll br developed, opened to everything and loved to death. It's an incredible area, leave it along, allow a little effort to use. Dont ruin it with concerts, commercial events, vendors, mountain bike and other crap. No, dont Neutral Strongly Support   Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Nothing constructive
23 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Spiritual "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.  
Any grazing of cattle or timber harvest will need to be planned very carefully and monitored so that the land is in no way degraded. Timber harvest should only be in name of forest restoration and not commercial. Grazing is the biggest concern and I think should not be allowed on the property at all.
Same as with cultural. Commercial harvest should be highly scrutinized. The health of the land need to take precedence over any money making activity. Grazing can degrade native grasses and forbs and also can bring in noxious weeds. I would prefer that grazing not be allowed on the property. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Horseback riding             Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Education camps,I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
24 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I think that both grazing and logging operations should be limited or at least tempered and directed from a science-based, re-wilding perspective Yes, grazing commercial animals in what should be approached as "wilderness area" has a deleterious impact on native flora and fauna. This is true too of any logging operations that go beyond thinning projects that aim at the long-term health of the east moraine forest Commercial harvest should be out of the question. The whole point of saving the east moraine from development and commercial exploitation would be undermined by such profit-driven harvest activities. This place is a jewel and should be treated as such. Rehabilitation of the once soaring, old-growth forest should be a priority If the grazing practices are directed by a science-based, sustainability-minded approach then I would be in favor. But, we should never lose sight on the over-arching goal of rehabilitating the native flora and fauna and returning the area to a "wild" state, or something that continues to approach such a state Yes Hiking,Trail running   Apparently there are parts of the east moraine that are open to fur trappers in the winter months. I have to worry about the possibility of our dogs, who often hike with us, getting caught in such traps. It's a cruel practice that has no place on the east moraine. Also, the elk fencing is ridiculous. Why should there be fencing to keep out a native grazer? For commercial cattle grazing? I find that completely out of step with the effort to save the east moraine from development and establish it as a jewel of pristine, wild Oregon   Voice command   signage Frequent benches/resting places   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   Outside of the most basic sporting events like runs, or the very occasional educational camp, I think events should be prohibited. We have developed and privatized so much of this county and country, why shouldn't places like the East Moraine not be largely protected for native flora and fauna? Such places should exist, and be expanded Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: "the idea of wilderness needs no defense. It only needs defenders"
25 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Motorized recreation and over grazing could affect the health of the wild community there. Overuse of the area for any purpose could pose a threat Commercial harvesting of the trees can cause a lot of disturbance and should be done is small lots. Sure, grazing can impact soil erosion and alter plant communities permanently if not carefully managed No       Again, it is a matter of degree. All uses should be limited to minimize impact. Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Consistent signage is critical Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   I think it is more the size of the event than the actual activities of the event....how many people, vehicles, etc. Strongly Support Support Support Neutral   No.  
26 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I worry that industrial/extractive uses such as logging and grazing could damage archaeological/spiritually significant sites, and degrade the ecology of the forest, threatening culturally important plants and animals. I do not believe that private industry's desire to profit by extracting from or grazing on collectively held land should be a high priority in land management relative to the land use rights of indigenous people. It might be important/interesting also to open a dialogue around how settlers in the area can avoid over-harvesting or compromising culturally significant medicine or food plants and animals, and avoid disturbing archaeological sites they may come across as recreators in the area. As a non-indigenous person, I would be interested and receptive to ideas and thoughts on how I can recreate on the moraine in a way that is as respectful as possible to the Nez Perce tribe's interests and activities on the land. Logging and grazing is detrimental to wildlife habitat, and I am concerned that these activities, if not checked, could endanger the security of wildlife on the moraine. I feel that the ecological integrity of the land should be the top priority in management. Commercial logging is directly at odds with ecological integrity and recreator enjoyment of the moraine. Beyond that, the timber industry is the top emitter of climate change causing greenhouse gases in Oregon. Allowing commercial logging to go on at its current pace on our lands is in conflict with building a healthy and sustainable future. I would advocate for an ecologically minded approach to grazing, where cattle are frequently rotated and not allowed to stay in one place for too long. This way the habitat and ecology of the land won't be unduly compromised, and springs and water ways will be protected from cow trample and pollution. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Skiing   None       In my experience fences and signs seem effective.     Education camps   Maybe limiting the number of participants, and not allowing sound amplification or motorized vehicles. Strongly Support Support Support Do Not Support Guided educational or naturalist hikes and events? No.  
27 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Longtime family connections to neighboring landowner. Other, please explain: Access across adjoining property. No.       Commercial timber harvesting is not consistent with the “shared use” model, It would mean handing over the land to the harvester, shuttling out other users. Using the term temporary closure does not reflect the real timeframe of harvesting and land regeneration.   Yes Hiking,Mountain/trail biking,Hunting,Skiing       Other (please describe):               Support Support Support Neutral   No.  
28 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Neighboring landowner,I view it   Other, please explain: I don't - private property Yes, please explain: Incompatible development Parts of moraine are covered with graves that public should not have access to. Social trails lead to erosion. Public access will introduce noxious weeds and other exotics. Commerical management always results in artificial viewshed that differs from natural environment. County history suggests that little value is given to native viewsheds. Most grazing efforts are focussed on livestock not vegetation management. LIvestock is not moved enough to avoid damage and livestock creates cut trails over landscape. Yes Other (please describe): Viewshed. Disregard for native vegetation and ecosystems - social trails and erosion, disregard for extent surface and subsurface cultural resources (graves, etc) and a history of disregard for private property.   On Leash at all times   No. It is unlikely, based on experience at neighboring public lands abutting private lands, that public will respect private property. Fences will be cut but may be only solution and will impact viewshed. Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.   It seems to me that there are enough private for profict and public venues in the county, including in lake basin area. Even in multi-use situations, there needs to be priorities - you can't do everything! Neutral Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Taxes Yes, please explain: Are tribes at the table for all aspects of planning?
29 I have read the background information. Full-time resident I view it   Other, please explain: None No.   No conflict as long as uses stay as they have been. Only if it is overused. Continue to manage forest. Some people don't like cows. Would rather keep the people out than the cows. No       Could have conflict if it is over utilized, even non-motorized. Other (please describe): Whatever works to keep the dog under control. Good fences make the best neighbors. Suggestions: None of the above. I am not in favor of special events.   No Neutral Neutral Do Not Support Do Not Support   No.  
30 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner,I view it   Other, please explain: From the north end No.   Honoring cultural "resources" by restoring significant native plants and animal will enhance habitat and is an opportunity to lean into. Grazing (especially as currently managed) and forestry however, have the potential to adversely impact cultural resources through trampling, browsing, soil compaction etc. This conflict must be balanced by putting appropriate restrictions on logging and grazing. This is not private property. Must not overgraze with cows so there is enough forage for native ungulates. Conventional forestry conflicts with all other uses except grazing. Forestry practices should be done in a manner that enhances habitat and protects aquatic resources. This cannot be done with conventional forestry. Conventional forestry also contributes very little to the local economy. Is there a way to create jobs (aka get money for) for local folks to do forest restoration without liquidating the forest? E.g. invasive weed control, road decommissioning, road and trail repair and maintenance etc. Grazing conflicts with all other uses except maybe forestry. The moraine has been overgrazed for far too long. Continued grazing will require expensive improvements. Is it worth the cost? If grazing is continued strategies such as pasture deferment and rest should also be considered. Yes Hiking,Trail running   Cows muddy up roads and trails and created hazardous conditions.   On Leash at all times   Signage could be helpful. If people know where they are allowed (and not allowed) they will generally be respectful. Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: mororized access, electric or otherwise should not be allowed expect for public safety emergencies. Any viewing site and/or benches should be discrete and far and few in-between. I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
31 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: Roads coming up from the head of the lake No.   As much as possible, it would be great to cede authority to the tribes to have them have first rights for use of the property. Certainly human access disrupts wildlife. I would suggest allowing human access generally open but to restrict access if an endangered species has a core need (nesting, etc.) Create information signs that are transparent about this being a working forest and that people should expect to see trees cut. Make that abundantly clear ahead of time. Long term it would be great if access agreements could be made across the entire moraine with metal gates that automatically shut using springs in order to maintain integrity of fences to constrain livestock. Yes Hiking,Trail running   I would like for the a access to continue the entire length of the moraine.   On Leash at all times   Wherever possible, provide access through other private lands with permission of course. People will tend to find their own ways through. Adjacent landowners would be well served to have a way through authorized so that people can be directed through in specific routes and integrity of all remaining private land maintained. Frequent benches/resting places,Suggestions: As minimal as possible. I am not in favor of special events.   Generally this should be a dispersed use low impact use area. No special events. Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
32 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Tourism "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Seasonal weather conditions such as fire seasons should and must be a consideration to access closure at any time there is even minimal threat.
Opportunities abound through the right and appropriate relationships/partnerships to expand educational opportunities both on the ground and through the virtual media.
Conflicts; Hunting advocacy organizations who would potentially want to exploit native species of animals.
Opportunities; A rare opportunity to establish partnerships with animal rights groups, educational organizations and scientific study programs.
Depending upon the selective logging practices adopted. If the life-cycle for renewable forests if base solely upon an economic outcome pressure to harvest will not be as representative of natural growth cycle for each species of tree. Grazing (commercial) is a highly competitive process that generally results in winners and losers. Losers tend to exploit their loss to disadvantage future bids or grazing sales.
Water is a highly marketable commodity. One that should have a price tag to grazers that recognizes its correlation with underlying and associated costs to the environment, communities and forest restoration goals and timelines.
Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   Interactive conflicts between equine use and hiking use on common trails. Also, interactive conflicts between canine, equine and hiking users.   Voice command   A determination should be made to whether a defined zone be established between the Moraine and private lands. One that is defensible and will not allow private landowner exploitation of the zone. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: As popularity grows, so do the stressers of having an open access plan. A reasonable use rule needs to be established that identifies the maximu use of the area by bodies engaged on and in it. Not a lottery system but a system that people can and will respect and support as fair and equitable to everyone. Education camps,I am not in favor of special events.   If events are in some measure a gage to the success of the overall goals and objectives of preservation...So be it! But, if events are in some measure a means to an end such as the fiscal stability or well being of the moraine and its programs...That would be an entirely different discussion. Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
33 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   All uses probably can't always occur at the same time (logging and rec, or sacred site protection vs hikers/ horse riders with dogs, etc), so finding a balance of when to close off areas for safety reasons or difference of values might be an issue. So far, I don't think the volume of people visiting has created conflicts for those reasons, but an increase in traffic might result in some conflicts. Again, timing of use might have to be adapted. Depends on how long the closures will last and how much of the area would be closed. Most people understand how to recreate where cattle graze, but some information might be needed to inform visitors unfamiliar with cattle grazing. Yes Hiking   I haven't. Most people are just happy to be there.   Voice command   Post the boundaries of the private areas. Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Other (please describe): I hope they're limited in number. no Support Neutral Support Neutral   No.  
34 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): See it managed responsibly and sustainably in keeping with sound, science based practices. Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: During the summer months the smell of cow shit is everywhere. It would be good to have places to access the property that are not so impacted by cows. This is a question best answered by the indigenous people. My understanding is that the moraines are most important to the Nez Perce as a sacred place so there are potential conflicts with any proposed use that disrespects their perspective. Dogs running off leash harassing wildlife. Large group activities, loud events, and motorized access could be disruptive to wildlife. Depends on how the forests are managed. The pine stands on the west face are pretty well managed and could sustain thinning from below periodically. Much of the remaining stands of mixed conifers are not in such great shape and may take significant investment to bring them into condition where any revenue can be returned. With pasture fencing, rotation of cattle from pasture to pasture and monitoring of stubble height, along with development of upland water sources, cattle grazing can be compatible with recreation. Some cow free areas that people can enjoy without cow pies would be appreciated. Yes Hiking,Skiing   None   On Leash at all times   Landowners need to let people know where the boundaries are and whether or not they are open. Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   I am not in favor of special events.   No, I am not in favor of special events. Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
35 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): working landscape Other, please explain: thru private land No.   No Yes, at times the forest practices or grazing practices may require the exclusion of public visitors for a time period due to safety. Depends on your prospective. It is an opportunity to education the general public and the recreational community on normal forestry and agricultural practices. At the same time it can be an opportunity for the public to be part of a working landscape. It could also be look upon as a conflict if people let it. It will be their choice. Same as forestry. It has potential to be conflict. It is also an opportunity for education to occur. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Hunting,Other (please describe): site seeing. I noticed you slipped in the "nonmotorized" statement. Much discussion has always stated access by all needs to include motorized access to the summit of the moraine. none yet, but it has been in the hands of a benevolent private land owner who supported the use by the community for a wide variety of events/uses. As the public became more entitled and forgot that it was private land use became more difficult. If people don't become entitled in the future as this county owned property is used things could be very good.   On Leash at all times   the county needs to manage their lands in a manner that makes good neighbors. Good fences, good regulations, enforcement and follow thru on violators. If not it can become trouble. Suggestions: you only allow one to be chosen. I support all but the second one. Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Fundraisers,Education camps,Other (please describe): let your mind dream. It should be available to any event/use that is compatible with a working landscape (forestry and agriculture A well developed motorized access road looping up and back the back side with the moraine. It needs to include parking lots, bathrooms, an event area on top. this will allow for many options. Strongly Support Neutral Support Support funds received from working landscape No.  
36 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Grazing fees and management hopefully will be better managed than on BLM lands. Not any that my knowledge base could comment on ; only guess at! Ditto Ditto Yes Hiking,Trail running,Horseback riding   None   On Leash at all times   Adequate posting and friendly reminders @ trailhead entrances to obey postings. Frequent benches/resting places,An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Fundraisers,Education camps   Keep the numbers of people in each group down to a manageable #. Neutral Support Support Do Not Support   No.  
37 I have read the background information. Occasional Visitor (less than once/year) Other (please explain): Natural habitat protection Other, please explain: Haven't accessed, only driven by. No.   Don't know but hope not. Don't know but hope not. Don't know but concerned about timber harvest and commercial interests dominating. Don't know but grazing can be positive or negative depending on practices. Yes Hiking   None.   On Leash at all times   Signs seem to work. Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: No electric bikes. I am not in favor of special events.   Passive only such as walls. No organized sports events, weddings, music, dining. We've seen that ruin natural places across California and make them inaccessible or too expensive for average people or low income. Don't commercialize natural lands. Do it in town. Neutral Neutral Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Nature walks, educational events. No.  
38 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Other, please explain: Backside for horse riding No.   Pressure on wildlife through increased human use The conflict is from increased pressure/use. Will need extreme signage, dogs on leash (or excluded if abused), major kiosks of explanation Don't know about forestry. But use should be confined to on-trail Education is the key Yes Hiking,Horseback riding       Other (please describe): Dogs should be on leash but if controlled when no one is really around why not let loose but under control Signage with all the dos and donts and respect will be important. Obey ti or lose it Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: A bench here and there with reader-board type thing for education I am not in favor of special events.   Don't like the word "event." Only occasional educational walks led by "ologists" of varying expertise, much like nature Conservancy used to do twice a year on Zumwalt--for those interested Support Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Can't believe you are even considering motorized use, except for staff-supervised maintence Yes, please explain: Delete unsafe horse access on west side. Horse access only on east side. Save the expense. Put the money into parking. No corrals, cross ties, etc needed.
39 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): provide educational opportunities in ecology and forestry Other, please explain: both turner lane and lakeshore green gate about the same amount Yes, please explain: just with the noxious weeds I don't see much for expected conflicts and the majority of recreational uses that I can envision. Impacts can be mitigated through informed design. I don't see any recreational uses disturbing the soil any more than the current grazing program. nope Don't leave out opportunities for prescribed fire along with thinning and planting. Forest management can be coordinated with other uses if done wisely. There is great opportunity on that property for forest management including harvest. It has a very diverse set of stands and productive ground. Any revenue generated from stand management through timber harvest or fire grant money needs to go back in part to treating the noxious weed problems there that are a direct result of the timber and grazing practices. it is pretty resilient and productive ground - both the grassland and timber areas. It is not very beat up except for the riparian areas. I see a lot of opportunity for conflicts if more people start enjoying the area but the grazing practices are not upgraded. They do not appear very sophisticated at the moment? Water developments have not been maintained and there appears to be no herding strategy? That property could be storing and delivering a lot more water to neighbors and the valley with an improvement of the grazing around the water - creeks and springs. They are pretty stomped out now. It would be a very good idea to invest in some pasture fencing and water distribution and get to the point of being able to rest and rotate areas within the whole. None of that has to get in the way of recreation or other uses if designed wisely. Probably deciding where to park visitors and where to gather livestock and not have those at the same spot would be a good idea? Yes Hiking,Mountain/trail biking,Horseback riding,Skiing,Other (please describe): enjoying and viewing the plants and birds and views none yet. I see no need to look for conflict either. seems like multiple uses are already occurring up there mostly successfully. There is a lot of acres and topography for folks to disperse throughout.   Other (please describe): voice or other non contact control. could not leave a comment if I checked the voice command button only. I think it is important to remember that the dog ownership culture in wallowa county is as significant to folks of wallowa county as other rural values and ways of life. pretty much just share that message to respect one's neighbors Suggestions: I can't see any problem with providing motorized access on the extensive road network on the land to specific non-event-like activities like educational programs etc. I don't see the need for frequent benches but a few would be very nice. I don't see the need to develop a bunch of structures that need to be maintained when there are lots of natural features to provide viewing locations and resting spots and shade and a spot to enjoy the ambiance with your companions. Ways to provide access to that experience for those with mobility challenges should be carefully pondered but I don't see needing an electric shuttle for tourism Education camps,I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): I would expect that the county could use some sources of revenue (in addition to grazing fees and timber receipts) in order to maintain the place and provide more trail experiences but I am not sure what kind of special events would really be appropriate for the stated goals? Party size limitations? locations? access routes? Parking constraints? Only certain event types? I am sure there are a few events that are pretty low impact to the ground or other's enjoyment of the area Strongly Support Support Neutral Do Not Support management and restoration grants. grazing fee review. Yes, please explain: there appears to be a huge opportunity for multiple trail us uses and trail development to have shared and perhaps separated uses as well as great forestry opportunities on that land. The views are world class and should bring the kind of enjoyment out of folks that naturally takes care of the place if it does not get over or under developed
40 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: Not sure if it's the Green Gate or not. The path across from the parking lot at the beach. No.   Balance any conflicts by keeping a public calendar so people aren't surprised by activities there when they want to use it. Education, outreach to young people and the community. Education, outreach, communication with the public. Same as above. Yes Other (please describe): Have not been up but once. Always want to go again. Hiking. None       Signage, public comunication, flyers placed in lodging. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): maybe in 3-5 yrs once everything is running smoothy. And never large crowds. Can't see how damage to to the flora and fauna could be avoided and what about bathrooms. There should not be any roads up on the top & seeing an outhouse up there is a dismal thought. Do Not Support Support Do Not Support Do Not Support X-country skiing event, seems like less damage would occur. Yes, please explain: forgot to add snow shoeing.
41 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: Dogs allowed to run loose, harassing wildlife and creating a hazard for horseback riders. Most recreational uses would not impact "cultural resources" unless it becomes so popular that overuse occurs. In that case natural, recreational, and other impacts would occur too.
Dog walkers and horseback riders love to use the property and this should be encouraged. However, having loose uncontrolled dogs with them infringes on the rights of other users and harms wildlife. This is going to be a difficult message for folks that have had "free rein" with use up there until now. Gate management and stock conflict may be managed with a "walking" gate that's easy to operate and only large enough for humans, while most riders are cognizant of the importance of closing gates and could continue to use a combination for access. Education. Don't think it's a big conflict. Hopefully the grazing will be kept to a modest level, otherwise trails get degraded (and covered in cowflop) and native plants and stream channels get destroyed.
Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Other (please describe): mushroom hunting, bird watching Not many, see previous comments.   On Leash at all times     Suggestions: Occasional, not frequent, benches Weddings,Fundraisers,Education camps   By permit if groups > 25 Strongly Support Neutral Support Do Not Support   No.  
42 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Habitat connectivity Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: bicyclists coming very quickly out of a trail. I wouldn't recommend identifying their (the resources) location. However, including native history and presence on the landscape on interpretive signs would be an important acknowledgment. Grazing needs to consider these culturally significant plants. Cultural Resources for the original inhabitants who did not cede this land should take priority. Include native voices in the ongoing management on the property. Since both habitat and recreation are also priorities, grazing numbers shouldn't be as high as they might be on a normal private landscape. Keep cows out of the Western slope facing the lake because there's nesting birds in the grassland. Ensure forestry practices improve habitat and aren't solely focused on making money. Leave snags and understory. Consider fire as a management technique. Consider climate change and carbon sequestration. Make sure recreation users are told when and where forestry occurs. Yes, I personally have experienced and heard from others, the amount of poop is out of hand near the green gate. You need to figure out how to keep cows moving and find another water source. Keep them out of the wetland. Are cows and dogs compatible? Could the wrong amount of grazing hurt habitat and cultural resources? As stated before, because the landscape is used for things other than just grazing, the numbers on the property should remain conservative and lesser. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Other (please describe): Snow shooing I have had bicyclists come very quickly out of other trails. warning signs of caution next to bike trails could be helpful. keeping bikes on specified bike trails. same with horses and hikers. There's plenty of trails and cow trails up there that they can be divided up and shared.   On Leash at all times   Including the words 'private property' on interpretive sign maps for the private land. Do not discuss the crest trail as a way to access the moraine. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   Keep them non-motorized to limited motorized for special circumstances (only education). Keep the manager up there during events to ensure people follow rules. Establish clear event guidelines and fines for violating those terms. Strongly Support Support Strongly Support Do Not Support County park parking permits for out of town visitors. No.  
43 I have read the background information. Occasional Visitor (less than once/year) Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Joy in this spectacular place, "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Yes, potential conflict between cultural resources and habitat, grazing, forestry and recreation. The same might be said for recreational versus the other four management priorities. The conflicts can be managed by careful planning, geographic separation, and fair compromise. The resultant document must be codified, with penalties for non-adherence, and with the possibility to change the document by vote of 3/4 of the WLM Partnership. Yes, potential conflict between wildlife and cultural resources, forestry, grazing and recreation. See prior answer. FAIR compromise. FAIR COMPROMISE, incorporating the competing needs of all five management goals. Yes, potential conflict. All solvable via reasonable compromise. Yes Hiking   No conflicts.   Other (please describe): Or ban pets entirely. Contact Boulder County Colorado for experienced advice, Good fences, gates, signage, and posting. And a stiff trespassing fine, 50% going to EMCF stewardship fund. Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps,Other (please describe): Limited calendar with lots of rules. Like the Wallowa Land Trust has done them so successfully in the past. Strongly Support Support Support Do Not Support Do motorized use in the wreckage remaining in the aftermath of intensive forestry harvest. Yes, please explain: Build real and significant penalties into the plan, at every step for every use.
44 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Other (please explain): multiple use/protection "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.     wildlife damage and predators on private property and livestock forest management is very important grazing will enhance the property and reduce fire danger Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): photography some tourists are disrespectful   Voice command   signage Suggestions: leave it alone! I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support Neutral Neutral Neutral   Yes, please explain: leave it alone
45 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: When cattle are concentrated in an area their dung can make a mess on shoes and dogs. Cattle grazing or timber removal could damage some plant species important to the Nez Perce. There is potential for conflict between forestry, grazing, and recreation and some wildlife uses of the land. Forestry could potentially conflict with both recreation and wildlife habitat if not done properly. Grazing could conflict with both recreation and wildlife habitat if not done properly. Yes Hiking,Skiing,Other (please describe): Looking for birds and butterflies. None   On Leash at all times   Clearly post the boundaries and describe the problem on informational kiosks at the entrances. Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks     Strongly Support Strongly Support Support Support   No.  
46 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   My main concern is the ecological health of the moraine's natural inhabitants. I am skeptical of forestry and grazing. Wildlife are already endangered by the highway. Will hunting be allowed? Is there a possibility of recreational overuse? Forestry must emphasize restoration, not resource depletion. Grazing should be limited in all areas and banned in sensitive locations. Yes Hiking   None so far.   On Leash at all times   Signage, fencing if necessary. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.   Sparingly, if at all. Strongly Support Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
47 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I'm sure I'll be making suggestions for stuff you're already doing. Sorry about that! I would like for trapping to stop--both for wildlife and for pets (I don't bring my dogs, but others do, and it is my understanding that people have been trapping for foxes among other things in the last several years). I would like to see the moraine be strictly for non-motorized usage (in respect for culture & wildlife, but also seems like it would help with grazing). If used for lots more horses/people, it would be good to have a plan for how to best manage erosion, mud, and manure buildup since many of the trails are pretty steep. It will also be important to manage weeds that will likely come in with more traffic--hate the idea of spraying, so maybe a corps of volunteers as with Iwetmylakin. It could be nice to have information kiosks posted at a strategic place or two that describes all of the things that come together here (sure you're already doing that, but hopefully it would help people behave respectfully and reverently). I'm sure I'll be making suggestions for stuff you're already doing. Sorry about that! I would like for trapping to stop--both for wildlife and for pets (I don't bring my dogs, but others do, and it is my understanding that people have been trapping for foxes among other things in the last several years). I would like to see the moraine be strictly for non-motorized usage (in respect for culture & wildlife, but also seems like it would help with grazing). If used for lots more horses/people, it would be good to have a plan for how to best manage erosion, mud, and manure buildup since many of the trails are pretty steep. It will also be important to manage weeds that will likely come in with more traffic--hate the idea of spraying, so maybe a corps of volunteers as with Iwetmylakin. It could be nice to have information kiosks posted at a strategic place or two that describes all of the things that come together here (sure you're already doing that, but hopefully it would help people behave respectfully and reverently). Forestry often involves noise and soil disruption. If forestry is to take place (such as thinning to prevent fuel build up), there should be a specific window (or windows) in which it happens, and mitigation plans (for weeds, erosion, etc.) should be very specifically laid out beforehand and followed carefully after incursion. Doing educational workshops for volunteers and having them participate in the work would be smart--more informed buy-in, mutual ownership, and oversight. Having specific times when grazing does and doesn't take place (if feasible) and having clear guidelines for hikers posted at trailhead(s) will help. Weed management/erosion control/water protections need to be part of any grazing contracts.
Yes Hiking,Trail running   My experiences have generally been amazing, though an occasional off-leash dog has been obnoxious (and there has been dog manure on the trail--and of course also cow and horse manure--none of which is surprising, but poop is probably something to think about if you're going to have much wider use). A friend of mine took me on a run once and we took a totally wrong path and ended up doing a much longer run than we'd originally planned (though that can definitely be part of the fun).   Other (please describe): I made some comments on this earlier, but guess I'll just add that all around Wallowa County people like to be able to bring their dogs. If they stay on trail and aren't a nuisance, that's probably okay? Clear signage, reminders/education about what it takes to keep a resource like this open to the public, not allowing anything motorized, having some kind of monitoring and stiff fines for littering etc. Suggestions: A few naturally constructed/integrated benches seems like a good idea. (p.s. It's "discreet" vs. "discrete" you mean here, I think). No motorized use. That's a slippery slope, I know, but it's huge in terms of serenity and cultural respect. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Other (please describe): I'm not strictly opposed to events being up there, but I do think they should be rare and strongly think zero motorized (or near zero) motorized use. Education workshops (but not camps) seem like a great idea. I would keep events to a bare minimum and require that any event held had an educational/conservation/participation requirement (that would rule out most weddings, but would not necessarily rule out concerts) and keep motorized use/access to emergency/necessity only. Support Support Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Community pride and ownership are key here--many locals LOVE this spot and many tourists don't currently know about it. That's been a point of pride and love, and you'll want to think carefully about how to keep that feeling alive.
48 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Undeveloped open space Other, please explain: Foot of lake No.   Of course. Cultural resource protection could constrain recreational use, timber management, and grazing. I would give cultural resource protection highest weight. Yes. Recently a family of foxes disappeared, probably because of human contact. Restrictions on access based on time of day, time of year, or location might be necessary. Forestry practices may be perceived as harmful or invasive. Public education and forewarning of upcoming activities can mitigate this. Domestic livestock grazing could create pressure on wildlife species. I would give priority to wildlife species. Yes Hiking   None.   Other (please describe): In the old days, off leash was fine. With vastly increased use, I think on leash is a necessary requirement. Signage. Suggestions: Opposed to motorized use. Possible exception for logging, but why not use horse logging as demo project? Not in favor of any built structures, including benches. What is wrong with sitting on a rock? There are plenty of them. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): Group size limit of 12 people, consistent with USFS policy in wilderness. Limit group size to 12. No competitive events. No commercial events. Support Support Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: It's a moraine, not a zoo. Keep it that way.
49 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Wallowa County taxpayer "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Cultural resources needs to consider uses by all cultures as well as economics. The local custom and culture includes group events like the annual Chief Joseph Days trail ride and 4th of July fireworks. The county could raise funds by auctioning off slots to drive through the gate on the 4th of July. Other group events needing vehicle access could be permitted by fee.

If the management plan becomes too oriented towards preserving resources, it will become yet another drain on county budgets that are already stretched thin. The community forest must be managed for economic viability, and that's not been mentioned in anything I've read so far.
Yes, I see conflicts if the community forest becomes yet another preserve for flora and fauna. We have an adjacent 600,000-acre wilderness serving that purpose already. Restricting recreation or commercial use for mule deer is a false dilemma. The mule deer population in the county has become a pathetic mob browsing the yards and gardens of Joseph. They are completely habituated to humans, and there will be no value in shutting off people from the moraine under the assumption that mule deer lack forage or need some sort of isolation. Please don't go down that path of poor logic in your management plan.

Considering auctioning hunting tags for geese, deer, elk, and bear to generate funds to manage the community forest.
Forestry practices not only need be "retained" but also expanded. The previous owner managed mostly for wood fiber production. Expand past practices to manage also for stand resilience. Thinning and logging and prescribed fire need to regularly mimic the role of natural fire or the stands will eventually get consumed by large stand-replacement fires.

Guided tours of active logging operations could be offered to help people better understand practices and the positive outcomes from logging. The county should raise funds by selling permits for firewood, posts and poles, Christmas trees and mushrooms as well as offering timber contracts.
Recreation users could join with grazers on locating noxious weeds. Create a handout on weed species known to occur on the property and ask for help in locating them. Offer guided tours for people to understand grazing objectives and methods.

Yesterday I walked up the road from the green gate and noticed the grazer placed salt blocks at the large boulders just as the road tops the moraine. It's one of the most visited spots on the property. If moved a few hundred yards away, cattle grubbing around the salt blocks would have gone unnoticed. Instead, the cattle congregate exactly where the average user stops to catch a breath and enjoy the view.

Reactions to cattle grazing are usually emotional rather than logical. Maybe the salt was placed to lead cattle to the west side of the property. If so, a horseback rider might have been a less emotion-laden method. People react well to someone on a horse, but not so much to a grubbed out salt lick. Anyone running cattle on the property needs to be aware of anti-cattle emotions and work to address them with education and common sense.
Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Snow shoeing, 4th of July fireworks picnics, driving to see the scenery with out-of-town visitors I've never experienced conflicts because I don't think of it in terms of conflict or one use trumping another. Mutual acceptance and tolerance for authorized uses and their impacts is the basis for multiple use. The balance comes when user groups work together so they're not unintentionally aggravating each other.   Other (please describe): Warn pet owners they are subject to fines if pet bites or nips other visitors or harasses livestock. Barbed wire fences and sternly phrased no trespassing signs. Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: Revenue generating options like guided tours. Minimize any new infrastructure due to cost. Weddings,Rodeos,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps,Other (please describe): Any reasonable use that will generate funds for the county. As a term of the permit, the event holder will need to rehab the site they used and the hiker will need to accept the noise associated with the event. If a hiker needs solitude, Eagle Cap Wilderness is their option. If an event holder doesn't want the responsibility of rehabbing their site, a place in town is their option. Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Commercial logging contracts and grazing permits Yes, please explain: Community forests need to generate income and create jobs. Your questionnaire seems weighted toward encouraging yet more acres turned into places for quiet recreation and wildlife seclusion. We already have those opportunities in W. County. This community forest needs to be something different.
50 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): wildlife habitat, water quality Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: Not really, but was bummed when they built houses on the lower end Would not like to see cattle grazing, but effective forestry to maintain a healthy forest and minimize wildfire hazard would be appropriate. I see a potential conflict between cattle grazing and wildlife. Forestry should light hand on the land to enhance forest health, not to maximize profits. I see a conflict between managing for cattle and wildlife and water quality. I'm not worried about our cultural identity since we are surrounded by cattle operations. In fact, our local landscape has been mainly altered by the introduction of cattle. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   None   On Leash at all times   Post public information boards, identify boundaries between the Community Forest and private lands. Suggestions: Leave natural. There are plenty of scenic views in the area with better access. I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support County tax Yes, please explain: Please do not advertise as a tourist destination. We have reached maximum capacity in our community. More tourists will be a detriment to our fair valley.
51 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   No motorized vehicles, none. all recreational activities listed under "events" would impact wildlife - all "flora & fauna!" Great to selectively thin trees, economically, and fire prevention or control. Also encourage grass growth for cattle. Corrals for? Maybe shipping, but cattle can be moved by horseback, they do not need fences! (except perimeter) Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   None, until recently. People generally keep dogs on leases when walking but need to control dogs from horseback riders which hasn't been a problem.   Other (please describe): Top 3 choices Respect perimeter fence, Dogs & hunters! Suggestions: None of the above! Walk it, bike it, ride it, and go! Plenty of all that stuff at the head of the lake. This will ensure peace, quiet, and solitude up there! I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): Use the head of lake for that! Why ruin our moraine! Those uses would defeat all goals. No way possible! (No events!) Neutral Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support      
52 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   I suppose, living in Wallowa County, there are always opportunity for conflicts -- but, I believe the community really pulled together to save the moraines. All difference can be worked on and resolved. keep dogs on leash. clean up after yourselves. stay on trail...pretty easy, if folks just follow the rules. Greed. narrow minded thinking could be a conflict. People pulling together to maintain the beauty of the area -- overruling greedy thinking. Working together we can resolve all of these issues. I really know nothing about grazing -- my faith is in the people in charge of the partnership to make good decisions. Yes Hiking   none   On Leash at all times   no Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   no Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
53 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Neighboring landowner   Other, please explain: Private property Yes, please explain: Aggressive dogs off leash, angry people who don't know where the private property begins. I have seen them destroy private fence and let livestock out. . You could start by being honest about where the "public property" ends and private property begins. You could also advocate for respect of the private property. Leash laws should be enforced. Trespass laws will be enforced. Harvest and pre-commercial thinning will keep the property healthy and wildfire resistant. Dogs off leash are a huge threat to livestock. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Hunting   Aggressive dogs off leash. Indignant dog owners when asked to leash their dogs. Entitled trail users that have torn down private fencing and private property signage.   On Leash at all times   The land trust could start by having accurate maps when advertising these types of things. Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   I am not in favor of special events.   It is appalling how the land trust professes to want to "save" this land, yet invites thousands of visitors and now is considering MORE impactful usages! Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Support Strongly Do Not Support      
54 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: Northside trail. No.   No. No. Harvesting timber from this land will be a bight on the community and alter the landscape. No Yes Hiking   None       Signage and access gates would be very much appreciated. Encouraging safe hiking practices. Suggestions: Leave as is Music concerts,Education camps     Support Support Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
55 I have read the background information. Full-time resident I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Yes. The east moraine is a precious resource. Public activities could bring unwelcome disturbance, possible trash, and damage to the ecosystem. Yes. Excessive human disturbance can disturb wildlife and trampled plant life. Human disturbance can cause unbalance in the ecosystem. Absolutely! Unless grazing is VERY monitored and controlled, it can be very damaging! No       It depends on what sort of recreation we are talking about. If it brings an influx of people ( or cows) there may be much damage. Other (please describe): And pick up poop. Stay off, don't be loud, and pick up garbage. Suggestions: None I am not in favor of special events.   Be quiet and pick up garbage. Neutral Support Neutral Strongly Support   No.  
56 I have read the background information. Full-time resident I view it   Other, please explain: I have not yet accessed it No.   I am not sufficiently familiar with the opportunities or conflict. See previous answer. I am not sufficiently familiar with the commercial harvesting of trees, but would be very concerned that it will be done in a way that might diminish the visual appeal. Again, I am too unfamiliar with to make an informed comment. No       See previous disclaimers. On Leash at all times   Bruce Ham's article in the Chieftain summarizes my views. Frequent benches/resting places   I am not in favor of special events.   No Neutral Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
57 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I would like the opportunity to learn about the cultural resources. I have always heard that there was a horse race track that the Indians used up there--no idea if that's true or not. Don't know. Too much access/recreational use could be destructive I suppose. I assume active logging would restrict public access for safety reasons. I am assuming that any logging would be carefully selected and would be conducted in ways to minimize impact. The current level of grazing seems to be fine. Yes Hiking   None   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Signage. Private property, keep out. Frequent benches/resting places   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks     Support Support Strongly Support Strongly Support   No.  
58 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Neighboring landowner   Other, please explain: We most often access from the north, across from the South entrance of Iwetemlaykin. Then the green gait by the lake. Then Turner. No.   The current use of grazing and forestry and recreation does not appear to be conflicting with habitat or cultural resources. I would fear that much more of any might interfere. But I'm just a nurse. Not a land manager. Of course I wouldn't want to see overgrazing changing the landscape and vegetation. Tge current level of grazing practices appear to be at a good balance. I could deal with closures as a recreationist. But I'm cool like that. Maybe good signage and announcements for closures so especially young families can plan. Ugh. Corals make me queasy for the E. Morraine. I'm picturing a dusty dry dirt pit with tons of flies and odor trampling the natural grasses. I don't want any new structures. Fences are fine. Old Rodeo grounds could be a tolerable place for a corral. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Skiing   None.
( Except when a friend poached my morel spot. )
  Other (please describe): I'm a dog owner. I can't stand dogs chasing wildlife or cattle. This should be a clear expectation of dog owners. Stay on trails. Respect signage. Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: discrete interpretive signs, minimal viewing platforms with interpretive signs. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   Limit events. Limit numbers of two leggeds and four leggeds at events. Do Not Support Support Support Support   Yes, please explain: So, there is some foraging going on in the area, maybe some horn hunting too. . Is there a statement or stance on that?
59 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   I could see forestry, grazing, and recreation potentially affecting the cultural integrity of the area. However, if done respectfully with consult to the NPT, I see that they could act in harmony. It may be good to post be bear aware signs to warn hikers or have up to date postings that note recent lily witnessed activity. I could see a conflict between habitat, cultural use, and recreation if timber harvest is not done in a respectful and responsible manner. I could see conflicts with habitat (spreading invasives), cultural use, and recreation if not done in a respectful and responsible manner Yes Hiking,Trail running   NA   On Leash at all times   Posted signage, maybe a map at trailhead, or have a link to download an app with a real-time map that shows the biker where there are private residences. Frequent benches/resting places,Suggestions: I don't believe in allowing motorized vehicles. I think maybe a paved section to a single viewing platform would be nice for folks in a wheelchair. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps     Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Adopt-the-trail clean up volunteer crews No.  
60 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I do not see any conflicts currently. I think as long as trails are created and well marked there should be plenty of space for humans and wildlife alike to enjoy the moraine. I could see there being some frustration if the area is closed for recreation often. I would think the way to work around that is to schedule forestry projects in a way that leaves a few trails available if others are going to be closed.   Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Skiing   I have never experienced any conflicts :)   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Signage and fencing Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: I think that having shuttles or vehicles on the trails might disrupt some of the natural beauty and quiet that exists there. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   I think making them during slower times of use and clearly advertising when and what is taking place. Strongly Support Support Neutral Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: The county is greatly in need of more accessible mountain bike trails. I think this is a great opportunity to create those. It would bring more people into the county creating further revenue opportunities as well.
61 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): I'd love to learn about the flora, fauna, and history, if that makes any sense. It is a stunning landscape to view, and will be great for recreational hiking, but learning something I can use on my property, and to enrich my experience, would be icing on the cake. Other, please explain: I thought it was private property, so I have never tried to access it, except as seen from the tram and trails on Mt. Howard. No.   Not to be negative, but cultural resources will be carried away or marked by visitors, so I would recommend photographing them closely, making copies, and not leaving the originals there, if that can be done. If there are cultural events that do not welcome visitors, or do welcome visitors, you should have a place on the website, to indicate when and where and what the rules are. The more information you can give people, ahead of time, the more likely they will respect cultural artifacts, uses, events and activities. If I'm coming in for a day hike, for example, I would likely not be dressed appropriately for a religious Nimiipuu ceremony, for example, and could be unknowingly rude by walking somewhere I shouldn't, or taking pictures, or something. I don't know if people can bring dogs to the area, but if they do, they can scare animals who are raising young, and go places they shouldn't. The more you can educate people ahead of time, so they know what to do and what not to do, the more likely it will be ok. Where I live in coastal California, for example, seal pupping season has many places roped off and clear sign that indicate trespassing is not allowed, and why. That is very helpful, for those of us who don't know anything about seals and their childcare process. You will need to be teaching visitors somehow, what they need to know to be properly respectful of the wildlife and its safety, and their own. I don't know much about forestry, but I would try to time the work so it doesn't conflict with peak tourist and visitor season, so visitors don't have to contend with noise and can enjoy the forest and its creatures. Alternatively, it can also be a teachable time, with discussion of sustainable forestry practices and safe cutting/planting to protect the land and its inhabitants. I'm interested in this, because we have trees on our property as well and would like to learn more about sustainable practices. I'm used to grazing animals, everywhere in Wallowa County. I think it will be fine.
No       I'm looking forward to hiking the area. I think we can all share it and enjoy it without undue conflict. On Leash at all times   Put cameras in strategic places, and make visitors sign in electronically, so you can monitor who was there. As much as I believe in people, there will be those who disrespect private property and cause trouble, and you will need to have a protocol for dealing with them. Why don't you check with the National or State Park service? They probably have this figure out already, and can give you good advice. Suggestions: This didn't allow multiple selections. I think benches are good, in nice viewing areas, and definitely you should require permits for any motorized access. i don't know the number of visitors you expect, but you may want to cap the number until you know how many the area can handle. Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Fundraisers,Education camps   Events should be held sparingly. They are a huge amount of work, generate a lot of trash, and create pain for parking and traffic congestion. Less is more. Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Entry Fee/Parking Fee No.  
62 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: Menaced by unleashed dog   There is a potential for conflict between wildlife and unleashed dogs. I don't know what wildfire risk is present on the upper moraine, but judicious fuel-reduction might help alleviate any risk.   Yes Hiking       On Leash at all times   Private landowners have the right to restrict access to or across their property. To avoid such restrictions, all users must be respectful of the property. Frequent benches/resting places,Suggestions: Did you mean "discreet" viewing sites/platforms? I am not in favor of special events.   There would have to be strict limits on crowd sizes. Support Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
63 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: TH across from Iwetemlaykin No.   I see opportunities for the public to learn about - and protect - the Nimiipuu heritage in this land. I see the potential for conflict if there is overuse or inappropriate use during critical seasonal timeframes. It could be balanced by being pedestrian only in the wintertime (or preferably ALL of the time!) I don't see any major conflicts or opps   Yes Hiking,Trail running,Skiing,Other (please describe): Snowshoeing None.   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Clear signage for access so people don't try to find their own way; add bus stops on the shuttle to encourage people to hike one way and lift back to a larger parking area Suggestions: This question only allows you to select one option. I support the top 3. I am not in favor of special events.   No. I think if the door is opened to some events, inevitably all the chips will fall. I would prefer to see it as undeveloped as possible to maintain its pristine state with the primary objective of habitat Strongly Support Strongly Support     In Scotland, you can "buy/sponsor" a square foot of land to preserve nature. People love it! https://www.highlandtitles.com/ No.  
64 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Will Nez Perce sites be protected from all uses? I could see problems with hikers going off trail or livestock trampling. Educate users to be respectful of wildlife and plants, how it all ties into the area. People can be real trashy. I don't see this as a problem, if done properly. Better than seeing burned up trees. Again educate users, some will grumble about it. With proper grazing management and who ever has cattle there, is following the plan and maintaining fences and improvements can set a good example for the public "eye". Multiple use is a good thing. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   No conflicts. As user numbers increase conflicts are certain.   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   No Trespassing signs. Have map at trail heads showing the boundary they can recreate in. Suggestions: Leave it as it is. I could see some use for specific purpose. Other (please describe): Not really in favor. But understand the need to raise money. No strong objection to this. Limit numbers and events. The real problem is people need to clean up after themselves and be respectful of the land and opportunity they have to enjoy it. Strongly Support Support Support Neutral Banquet type fundraiser. But probably not in Covid time. Yes, please explain: Perhaps a small user fee at the trailheads
65 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   If all parties respect the land as they should conflict will hopefully be at a minimum. I see it as an opportunity to see more wildlife, especially birds (my hobby). I don't think people will be happy with commercial harvest of trees. It really destroys habitat. That practice does not seem to go along with preservation. I can see conflicts if gates are left open. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Birding Everyone I have seen has been very respectful of the trail and the land.   On Leash at all times   There needs to be clear signage as to what is private land and what is public. I was up there last week and was under the impression that I could walk all the way to the other end. But I came to a big fence that I couldn't go over or under and there was a No Trespassing sign. I turned around. There needs to be clear guidelines. I want to know what the rules are so I do not create conflict by accident. An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads   I am not in favor of special events.   I think that you should start small and see how it goes. If you open it up to everything right away it is hard to go back if there are problems. Support Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Clear signage as to what is permitted and what is not permitted.
66 I have read the background information. Occasional Visitor (less than once/year) Other (please explain): Land conservation Other, please explain: I don't go on the moraine No.   Ranchers that might allow or inadvertently allow cattle to graze on the moraine, destroying the integrity of the ecosystems there. No I don't want to see any harvesting of timber there. It should be left intact to cycle through nature. Grazing should be eliminated. No       I don't know what the geological composition of the moraine materials are, but have you also researched mining? Just in case someone gets a wild hair? Mining laws are extremely lax. On Leash at all times   Signage, and maps at trailheads so users can be aware of limitations of publicly-accessible land vs. privately-held land. Frequent benches/resting places,An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.   ABSOLUTELY NO special events!! These are very destructive. If this is viewed as a potential revenue source for the moraine, I would urge you to reconsider. This will only result in the area becoming even more well-known and over-used... Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support online donations, kickstarter, auctions, buy-a-brick for any pathways that are to be built No.  
67 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: I use the green gate west side for hiking and the east entrance for horseback riding entrance No.   I believe the moraine can continue to handle varied use of hikers, horseback riders and considerate cyclists as it has under the management of Bruce Dunn/RY without disturbing cultural sites or resources. If we continue with non motorized use and do not cut in new trails or roads. Again, if we continue with light use which is very light in winter, I feel mule deer and other wildlife will use it for habitat. I see elk, mule deer, whitetail deer and bear in close proximity or among grazing cattle. Wildlife utilize the water troughs and mineral provided for the cattle. I have seen this property selectively logged twice during my short 20 years living in Wallowa County. It is good for the forest as well as any economic benefit it may provide. I feel the cattle are a benefit. They have worked wonders in reducing wildfire danger. There are at least 3 water troughs which draw them to different areas. I find the cattle nicely spread out over so much of the available land in nice small groups of 7 to 15 pairs. Please keep a similar grazing practice on this land as it has had for so may recent years leasing to local small ranchers. It is what this county is about. We have adjacent wilderness and state parks available for tourists and hiker who do not feel comfortable with livestock. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Horseback riding,Skiing,Other (please describe): So far the cyclists and skiers have been local considerate individuals who are considerate when sharing the trails with us horseback riders. None to date   Other (please describe): Voice or leash as warranted by individual person/animal. Bottom line. Under control but allowed. It seems straightforward to respect private land. Let us all do that by not crossing fences, etc. Suggestions: NO! Keep it simple with things as they have been. I am not in favor of special events.   No special group evens are really necessary. We have parks at each end of the lake, the tram ( support an existing local business! ), rodeo grounds, fair grounds, state park, etc for events like these. Keep this moraine a quiet place to enjoy on an individual and personal basis. PLEASE! Support   Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support seek monthly or annual donations such as OPB, etc. Membership type. I will support. Yes, please explain: Keep it as it has been managed for so long by the amazing Bruce Dunn. We all should be forever grateful to him for his generosity in managing this special place and allowing so many to enjoy it when he did not have to.
68 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: People let their dogs off leash, the dogs disrupt the wildlife, frighten people when the dogs run at them and TOO many times I have given up my water bottle to a dog because the owner did not care enough or think that their dog might want a drink. NO DOGS PLEASE Please don't do commercial development, limit activities ie: no bikes, no dogs. Let it stay natural so folks can enjoy the beauty, silence and preserve the flowers, etc PLEASE no hunting I see a BIG conflict with commercial harvesting of wood. Leave it alone. Thinning makes good land management and understand there may be closures. To open it up to commercial logging will ruin the quiet, beauty and cause unnecessary noise and closure As long as the grazing remains as is with appropriate improvements. But please, remember the other natural resources. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Snowshoe, flower hunting(pictures only) Inconsiderate pet owners. Please no dogs or at the very least and enforced leash law. Too many run loose, are not under voice command and too many timesowners don't have water for them   On Leash at all times   Unfortunately it would seem signage is the only way and even then there will always be the few that think that they are exceptional Suggestions: Please leave it as is! I am not in favor of special events.   I don't agree with special events. There are places at the lake, there is the Tram, and locations out on farms and ranches. Let us have close in hiking and walking areas that are not disrupted for the few. Strongly Support Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Please keep it pristine, please remember how the First People worshipped this land. Please don't disrespect it. Thanx for listening.
69 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: Rude tourists with mean dogs off leash I see no conflicts if you do not develop it There are conflicts with dogs chasing wildlife and cattle I see local firewood opportunities to supply firewood to disabled, elderly or persons in need I saw unleashed dogs chasing cattle Yes Horseback riding   The only conflict I have had is naughty dogs. I leave mine home when riding there but still have had dogs charging and attempting to attack our horses   On Leash at all times   Lots of signing and electric fence which can be solar powered Suggestions: Leave it just the way it is! Do not develop it. KEEP IT RURAL! I am not in favor of special events.   Just that. Preserve it. There are many venues for weddings, camps, gatherings ect... You promised to preserve it so please do that. Strongly Support Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
70 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Significance to tribal interests Other, please explain: Tip of the moraine, closer to Joseph Yes, please explain: Someone biult a big ugly house there I am not aware of the location of Cultural Sites on the property, but am aware of several off the property on an easement. Please defer to the Nez Perce tribe for treatment of sites on the property. Recreational uses may need to be curtailed in fawning/calving areas based on recommendations by wildlife experts or tribes. I see no reason why proper management cannot make forestry and other uses compatible. Conflicts may occur surrounding grazing cattle. Herding, or especially management intensive rotationally grazing with new fencing, temporary hotwire, lighter cattle, or Spanish breeds (different herd behavior/ grazing distance from water/ time spent in wet areas, Sheehy, Cody 6/2007) may alleviate detrimental effects and in fact help restore denuded areas. Three key words; management, management, management. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Hunting,Skiing   hikers not being respectful of private property. Idiot dog owners leaving poop bags on the side of the trail for someone else to clean up after them.   Other (please describe): If pets cannot recall to owner on demand, they must be leased although I don't know who or how this would be enforced. Camera with public shaming and fining of offenders Suggestions: Not in favor of ideas on this page. I feel this type of ifrastructure does not encourage a personal relationship with the land. I am not in favor of special events.   Have them at the State Park/Chief Joseph Days grounds/ Joseph High School/ etc. Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: THANK YOU for working on all of this!!!
71 I have read the background information. Full-time resident I view it,Other (please explain): preservation as a scenic and natural area for future generations Other, please explain: I generally don't access it because access is on private property and also becuase I don't want to contribute to taming the area. No.   I have concerns about the area being over run by people just due to sheer numbers given its proximity to Joseph and the head of the lake. And then a certain percentage of people are likely to disregard cultural sensitivity. Some using Iwetemlaykin ride bikes and bring dogs in off leash which goes against rules in place to preserve this place of cultural importance. Fortunately less people will be using trails in winter when mule deer use it for range but summer use will have impact to wildlife. I support sustainable forestry. I support sustainable grazing. People may disregard or vandalize fences, etc. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): I have hiked on the moraine though rarely out of respect to private owners. none, I'm rarely up there.   On Leash at all times   Educational signage (not just "no trespassing") Suggestions: I would like to keep the human footprint as light as possible. Beyond what is needed for grazing, forestry I would like to see no manmade structures, no motorized vehicles. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): I don't want to see the moraine tamed.   Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support      
72 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: 1. people letting their dogs run free and poop everywhere; and 2) cows degrading the landscape I would defer to the Nez Perce to tell us if there will be conflicts and respect how to manage them accordingly. Protecting those cultural resources should take precedence over recreation, grazing and logging. How are we going to prevent all the habitat from being trampled and basically loved to death? If there has to be a hard choice between recreation, grazing and the health of the bunchgrasses, which one wins? The long-term health of the ecosystem should be priority number one but because the people in charge are elected officials, I fear they will choose whatever is politically expedient. Politics and short-term economics should not be what drives the management of this property. I think active management of the property is good as long as we don't end up with clear cuts and a Hancock TIMO situation. The property needs to be managed for its long term ecological health, not for short term economic gain. I understand the need to raise funds to pay for the ongoing management but that is a slippery slope when logging is viewed as a means of getting quick cash. Does the County have the will to do the right thing? Was up there recently and saw a pile of salt licks on top and a mess that the cattle had made. If THAT is what grazing is going to look like on the property then no thank you. Is a rangeland and habitat specialist giving input into this portion of the plan? Using the best science? Will there be pastures so that areas of the property can rest? What about the spaldings catchfly up there? How will that plant be protected? Yes Hiking,Trail running,Other (please describe): snow shoeing, bird watching Hunting and trapping on that property would be a real problem - not safe at all with all the use it is going to get. Also, am a bit worried about people and their dogs. Already there are problems on other parts of the moraine with people not following rules set by the landowner around keeping their dogs leashed. How will any rules/regulations be enforced on this property? Will the county have the power to close down the property if people aren't using it respectfully? Are they willing to do that if deemed necessary?   Other (please describe): No dogs allowed Signs and then consequences for trespassing. But that is not the County's responsibility once people step off their property and on to neighboring property. Suggestions: there are logging roads to the top - people can walk. If they cannot walk then they can take the tram to the top of Mt. Howard. Leave this property as is I am not in favor of special events.   Limited size, duration and not every day or even every weekend of the month. Perhaps only once a month. Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support parking fees/trail pass/higher rates for grazing Yes, please explain: As a donor, I want to know that the County will follow the promises made during the campaign - especially about not allowing motorized use up there.
73 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   I don't have enough knowledge to respond to this question. I think most people using the Morraine are respectful of the cattle. Signage about not allowing dogs to chase or otherwise harass the cattle might be useful. I think managing the forest and selective harvest is important. I think traditional uses are very appropriate. If recreational use increases too much it may impinge on grazing. Maintaining well marked trails may help. Yes Hiking,Skiing   I hope use will be restricted to non-motorized. Part of the enjoyment is the quiet.   Voice command   I feel strongly, all users myst respect private property rights. Suggestions: I prefer it remain unspoiled. Clearly marking trails might help as usage increases. Added physical amenities would spoil the feeling it's simple natural beauty. Education camps,I am not in favor of special events.     Support Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
74 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I am wary of increased traffic on the moraine, but also realize I am part of that traffic. I am wary of others' treating the area respectfully...   I think only non-native species should be addressed; otherwise, the moraine knows better.   Yes Hiking,Trail running       On Leash at all times   Possibly having brief bios of the private landowners and their association with the moraine; education can help passersby respect the people who own it Suggestions: Not in favor of additions I am not in favor of special events.     Support Support Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
75 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,Other (please explain): It's good for the community "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   It depends on how much of the moraine these uses occupy, and the degree to which they exclude other uses/users. So - it's hard to answer this question. But, in general, I'm supportive of preserving historic/cultural sites. To the extent possible, it would be great to involve the Tribe in programming, education, signage. From a recreation standpoint, increased wildlife creates a greater reason to visit. I don't know how it would impact ranching or other working uses for the space. It would be helpful if there is interpretive programming, signage, etc. I'd be much more likely to visit if there was a guided hike or something like that. I think that's fine - again, it represents an opportunity to educate public about sustainable forestry practices. So, having a tour/hike when thinning is occurring so the people doing the work can tell their story would be important. I don't see this as a problem - already encounter cattle in national forests w/o problem. Again - opportunity for community to learn more about ranching, so think about how that education gets done. Also - probably chance to try innovative things (whatever those might be). Yes Hiking   None - I don't encounter many people when I've visited. (albeit, I only go 1-2 times per year) Is hunting going to be allowed? I'm supportive of this, but also acknowledge it makes some people uncomfortable.   On Leash at all times   Make sure you have proper signage. It's not entirely clear to me on parts of Zumwalt where the private land is, or for areas that are in conservation easement - what that means for the public? Just make sure boundaries/signage is clear. Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   I'm really hesitant to say I support these. They can have incredible impacts on other uses. We have runs/races at a regional park here (Seattle) and it damages the park. Private events also exclude other users; would hate to have trail blocked because someone was having wedding (or whatever). Giant groups of people have their own noise/presence impact. At same time - these are legitimate uses and keep the area "in use". Maybe limit the number; make sure the event doesn't have exclusive use or the area the have is limited; create a strong set of requirements for people using/renting space - that includes obligation to fix damage, noise levels, garbage collection, etc. Your staff shouldn't be responsible for cleaning/fixing things after an event - so you can make $100 or whatever. Get a deposit. Neutral Support Support Do Not Support Hikes/programming/etc. that you pay for. No.  
76 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Spalding's catchfly, mule deer habitat, native grassland habitat generally "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I am concerned about vehicle access from the Turner Lane roads as well as the green gate. Broadcast herbicide use, fencing that is not wildlife friendly. Another question is how grazing will occur- will it be rotational, if so, will temporary fencing be used...how will this affect range for ungulates? Will you restrict horse use to designated trails? Will there be separate mountain biking trails, if any, and how do extra travels for user groups affect vegetation? I think the forest needs to be managed as if it were getting low level, healthy fire. I would love to see prescribed fire, or thinning to simulate healthy disturbance. Though I support grazing, I would imagine hikers and other users will complain about cattle use, especially cow pies on the trails or perceptions of over grazing. It may be helpful to limit grazing in areas where the public is most likely to be, or think about seasonality of use for both recreation and grazing to reduce conflict. Yes Hiking,Trail running   Prior to the WLMP, one had to wonder about trespassing on private ground when going to the Moraine. Now, there is a big chunk where it is clear that private landowners do not want trespassing, while we now can also be sure that some parts are public. I think Wallowa County citizens are aware that the East Moraine public portion only contains sections of the East Moraine, but may be disconcerted at more no trespassing signs on the adjacent properties. I think having clear maps and signs will reduce the confusion about private/public access.   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   I think this will be a huge issue. Locals are used to traversing the whole moraine. I would imagine private landowners are concerned about more people trespassing now that the Yanke property is public. I think clear maps and signs would help. Suggestions: interpretive panels and maps I am not in favor of special events.   Do not allow them on top. Off Turner Lane only to reduce the numbers and cars. Support Support Do Not Support Do Not Support   No.  
77 I have read the background information. Occasional Visitor (less than once/year) Recreation Use   Other, please explain: Have not visited No.   I do not foresee any conflicts. I think this is important. I see no conflicts. I think this is important. We do not want to create a habitat that becomes fire prone. Thinning (not logging) and possibly prescribed burns, if needed, may be needed. As long as the grazing is sustainably done, I think this is fine. No               Frequent benches/resting places,An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Other (please describe): I think this is up to the community to decide. Events should be limited to a certain number per year and of limited duration. Personally, I am not a big fan of weddings on public lands. Support Support Neutral Neutral Signs that indicate where to send donations. No.  
78 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I see this as giving rise to significant conflicts -- and believe it is likely that uses and users other than those related to indigenous cultural and historical resources are likely to be disregarded or limited in your efforts to comply with the wishes of the indigenous groups. I don't know that they can be balanced as I don't know that there is any interest in compromising when it comes to users other than indigenous peoples and their wishes. Other than the grazing I see little basis for conflicts -- I recognize that the County is very much interested in allowing grazing but it's not going to take long for that activity to negatively impact the area -- including damage to sensitive plants and reducing the amount of forage available for wildlife. The cattle are already tearing the place up and the only way to address this is going to be by limiting the amount of grazing as much as possible even if it limits income from the leases. I would be in favor of selective logging if I thought it would be done with something in mind other than generating income and as part of a strategic effort to reduce fire risk. But I don't think that will be the case. i see no opportunities resulting from the grazing. Just another Wallowa County recreation area trashed by cattle in an effort to generate a couple of bucks and appease the ranching community. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking   I dislike the damage that is already occurring from the cattle grazing. I wish folks would keep their dogs on leashes, but recognize that's not going to happen -- not because i have a problem with the dogs but am worried what's going to happen when some one's dog starts chasing livestock. And the alternative is to ban dogs, which would be an enforcement issue. Other than that i have found most folks to be responsible users, and recognize that the rest of us will just have to deal with it when they're not.   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Fencing, random placement of trail cams to identify violators, and vigorous enforcement by law enforcement and the DA's office. Hammer a few folks with criminal charges and fines, and word will get out. Neighboring property owners should absolutely not have to deal with trespassers and other negative consequences of living next to public lands -- such activity just encourages NIMBY. Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   Strategic planning setting out how many, what type, location, and limits on various activities at the start of each season -- so that the decision to allow any event will be made as part of a global process (including consistent and pre-determined criteria) and not in the vacuum of that particular event. Handling the approval of these sorts of events in a piecemeal manner is simply not good business and not likely to result in the long-term goals (whatever they are) being met. Do Not Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Lots of groups want use of this property, and I encourage you to make the tough calls early as to those groups/activities that simply are not going to fit in the big picture you have for the property. Then focus on addressing the conflicts between the groups who do fit in the big picture. Trying to be everything to everyone is just a recipe for disaster. While i am thrilled that this property was able to be purchased, i do not envy you the management of it.
79 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   I worry about allowing "wheeled" vehicles using the property. As in bicycles and motorized bicycles. The speed at which bikes motivate are not in conjunction with foot-based travel. Opportunities would be to allow the observation of the habitat and learn to respect that habitat. I would like to see the that forestry practices regard the habitat and leave the areas that are harvested and thinned be restored to as natural an area as possible after the thinning and harvesting. In tandem with the term "leave no trace". I am not sure what avenue the grazing will take, but that it be monitored and the "grazing partner" be accountable to keep the stock rotated and not impact the land by overgrazing. Yes Horseback riding   No conflicts so far. Please keep bicycles off the trails. They DO NOT do well with foot traffic and the tires/speed degrade the soil of the trails, causing erosion.       Perhaps a 4x4 post with the words engraved vertically on the post stating, private lands as such. I think a single post w/o a square sign is less obnoxious than a sign.     I am not in favor of special events.   Events seem to be going "against the grain" of the natural peace, flora and fauna of the morraine. Neutral Support Neutral Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Please consider that horseback riders need ample parking for trailers. I am familiar only with the access off Turner Road. A truck and trailer can be 60+ feet long. The Morraine is an excellent place for riding. Please consider parking.
80 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Other (please explain): Want to see it kept in ag and the forest managed. Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: Used to have livestock there. Had problems with people parking in front of green gates when trying to get livestock in the gate. Anytime you allow the public on a piece of property you will find more damage and trash than if many people were not allowed. Often artifacts are picked up and taken. Just have seen that happen in other areas. If there is a lot of people using the trails that access will be allowed, there will not be an even livestock grazing because the livestock will not use areas where there are people. The same can be said about wildlife. If there is a great number of people in the area for a period of time, the wildlife will eventually go somewhere else. If this property was not right next to the state park, there may not be as many people, but since it is and it is being advertised as a place to hike and visit there will be a disturbance in the livestock grazing use and the wildlife habitat. I would not want to be a logger up on the Moraine thinning or logging when you never know if an individual will be coming down the hill where you are falling timber or running machinery. Signs could be put up to keep individuals out, but not everyone follows signs. I also think there will be visitors that don't agree with forest management and there will be some negative comments come out of it. Again, don't feel like there will be even livestock grazing because of constant people presence. Also hikers will have dogs - will they be required to be on a leash? Dogs may chase cows out of an area. No       already stated. On Leash at all times   signage may help.     I am not in favor of special events.   no Support Neutral Neutral Neutral   No.  
81 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.     People with dogs infringe on the wildlife and even though they are to be on a lease it is my experience that pet owners ignore the lease laws at the other park. Not sure how to enforce it other than people being banned from use of it if caught. Also horse back can tear up trails and disturb the soil and plant life particularly in wet conditions. I'am not sure what “grazing” means but again I'am not in favor of livestock infringing on the land and wiping out the feed for wildlife. I also am oppose to to mountain biking. And feel this environment we are opening up to the public is far to pristine and sacred to allow “recreation” to destroy it by overuse from our pets and toys. This is a sacred place and must be treated as such. All grazing should be prohibited by domestic animals. This is not a place that that should allow it. Also shed hunting should be stopped as these sheds provide needed minerals to smaller animals . In a sense to many of us this is like an outdoor spiritual center to go and get away from the noise and Destructive usage. There should be no trace of us left on that moraine in a thousand years. Nez Perce people left it pristine and we should continue this legacy. Yes Hiking       Other (please describe): No pets allowed as owners break the lease law and should not be allowed . Domestic animals of any kind should be kept out of this area and find someplace else to go. Not only a fine but their rights to use this sacred place terminated Suggestions: Leave the place alone and and don't let agencies turn it into a sterile environment for show and tell to the public with signage and the type of development normally done by government agencies would be allowed. Information and agencies needing toot their horns brochures with maps, signs,and propaganda could be left at entrances. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): We have plenty of places for the activities mentioned above in other places than on the moraine . Many of us are tired of beautiful sites turned into more activities . There are plenty of activities and pubs in town etc.. Hold Them somewhere else and forget cutsie, funky ideas.. This land should be no trace with trash cans only at the entrance or exits . Again this land is sacred so don't turn it into yuppyville. If you want the privilege of being able to use it treat it differently than we have treated other public sites Support            
82 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Other (please explain): I was born in enterprise and have deep roots in the county as my ancestors homesteaded in Hell's Canyon, Imnaha and also made their homes in Joseph and Enterprise. "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No, but I think a petition should be started to rename Mt Howard as the General did extreme harm to the Nez Perce tribe. I think it should be left as natural as possible. I'm against commercial forestry. Why not just let the deer graze? Yes Hiking,Mountain/trail biking   None   On Leash at all times   Signage and gates. Limit number of users. Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: The area should be kept as natural as possible. Don't turn it into a area like the gondola. I am not in favor of special events.   Limit usage. Support Support Support Do Not Support Collect day use fees. Yes, please explain: Thank you for saving it. I've watched over the years, since the 50s as homes were built at the foot of the lake. It always seemed like an affront.
83 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner,I view it,Other (please explain): wildlife habitat and corridor, community landmark, outdoor classroom for education programs, geologic treasure Other, please explain: Lately across from Iwetemlykin       I would separate this into existing conflicts and future conflicts. Currently there is a conflict between grazing and aquatic integrity. The creek and wetlands that are on the backside of the East Moraine show severe negative impacts from grazing. The solution is to fence cattle out from these riparian and wetland areas and restore them. Another existing conflict is between grazing and the integrity of the plant community. Invasive weed infestations like meadow hawkweed degrade the habitat and erode biodiversity. What can be done to mitigate this weed problem (change grazing rotations? utilize grazing and reseeding with native plant seed together?). Also, I believe there is an old aspen stand on the top of the moraine that is unable to regenerate because of the grazing pressure. Fencing off specific areas important for biodiversity would help preserve the genetic and biological legacy of these unique plants.

In the future I see a potential conflict between increasing recreation and wildlife habitat. Frequent disturbance caused by recreation can cause wildlife species to abandon otherwise high-quality habitat. Bicycles are a big concern of mine. Research at Starkey Experimental Forest has shown that elk are further displaced from their habitat by bicycles as compared with hikers and horseback riding. I recommend limiting bicycles to strategic areas where impacts on wildlife are most limited. Dogs are another big concern. Dogs off leash can cause wildlife species like fox to abandoned dens. Dogs can stress newborn deer and cause injuries to them by chasing them. They also kill birds and other animals. I am a dog owner and I recommend a dog on leash policy. I would also support a no dog policy. I also strongly encourage consideration of a complete seasonal closure of key areas for winter range. I am concerned that the East Moraine winter range will be under increasing pressure from recreations and mule deer and elk won't get the security they need to adequately utilize this important habitat.
If carbon storage/sequestration and biodiversity are goals for forests, than protecting the large trees should be a priority. Much of the forest has been heavily logged and the restoration needs now are mostly removal of small grand fir. It will be a challenge to find the funding to complete this needed restoration work while also protecting the few large trees that remain. However, I think it can be done. Especially with the visibility of the East Moraine where ecologically based restoration forestry practices are on display for everyone to see. Currently there is a conflict between grazing and aquatic integrity. The creek and wetlands that are on the backside of the East Moraine show severe negative impacts from grazing. The solution is to fence cattle out from these riparian and wetland areas and restore them. Another existing conflict is between grazing and the integrity of the plant community. Invasive weed infestations like meadow hawkweed degrade the habitat and erode biodiversity. What can be done to mitigate this weed problem (change grazing rotations? utilize grazing and reseeding with native plant seed together?). Also, I believe there is an old aspen stand on the top of the moraine that is unable to regenerate because of the grazing pressure. Fencing off specific areas important for biodiversity would help preserve the genetic and biological legacy of these unique plants. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): bird watching, wildlife viewing, spiritual, education, peace and solitude, ecosystem observation, family time I have none, but have grown more concerned with news about dogs harassing and displacing wildlife and seeing bicycles on the crest trail.   Other (please describe): a combination of on leash and with seasonal closures   Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Other (please describe): I would be in favor of educational activities as long as they don't require structures be built There are many other beautiful places in the County to hold these types to events. I don't like the idea of commercial private uses on the moraine. Neutral Strongly Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support This is an opportunity to bring in grant income on a very high profile activity. Applying for grants that support monitoring of the resources and even hiring a part-time or full-time East Moraine Coordinator could help with this. Yes, please explain: I think more emphasis on wildlife and habitat in areas adjacent to the National Forest would be helpful. We need to understand the movements and migrations of wildlife onto the moraine property if we are going to protect those patterns. Also the elk fence. I have heard community members that would like to see it removed or changed to allow some passage. Why do we need that anymore?
84 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,Other (please explain): respect for tribal values,culture & history Other, please explain: I do not access frequently No.   Potential conflict could arise if archaeological site discoveries interfere with other stated potential uses. I am not qualified to judge this aside from typical human vs flora & fauna use conflicts. If logging is an approved use there might be lawsuits to stop it.This would depend on the extent in area & the quantity to be removed. I consider livestock as extremely destructive of land & water resources. Yes Hiking   does not apply   On Leash at all times   Sign the trail as such i.e. Do Not Leave Trail,Adjacent Lands are Private Property Suggestions: No motorized or bicycle access Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   Have these events infrequently.Alert the public via the newspapers (Walllowa County & La Grande) & social media. Neutral Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Do the utmost to preserve the natural integrity of the site & hold tribal blessings from the NP & CTUIR. al
85 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Other (please explain): Hiking Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   Foot traffic only would not interfere with cultural sensitivities If hunting allowed perhaps only archery. The area is to small for rifle hunting If only hiking is allowed very easy to route hikers away from logging. Very problematic to have open grazing and the public among livestock. I see nothing but conflict trying to accommodate both at the same time Yes Hiking   None   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Overcompensate with signage. I don't think I have encountered any users that would not honor a well placed sign Suggestions: To encourage anything other than biking,hiking,skiing you are setting the area up for failure and conflict. Keep it simple stupid I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): Oh sure..let's have a concert with cows grazing, while I bow hunt during your wedding. Are you kidding No events. Unless native tribes want an event Strongly Support Neutral Do Not Support Do Not Support   No.  
86 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   So long as recreational users treat the land with respect and are aware of the plants and habitats so as not to disturb them I personally don't see a major issue. If the moraine gets super popular with a ton of use perhaps but at the level it is now it remains relatively quiet and peaceful. Unless wildlife experts say any use of the moraine would be to its detriment it seems like current usage would be okay. But I also see the need to defer to ecologists and input from the Nez Perce. If there is a way to keep part of it open at times when other parts are closed so we can enjoy it year round that would be really nice. If there's a way to keep grazing animals separate from the more trafficked parts of the moraine that would be great. Yes Hiking,Trail running   None.   Other (please describe): I would love to have opportunities to have my dogs off leash out there at times but understand that may not be feasible at all times. Signs would be helpful! I want to respect people's land.     Education camps     Support Support Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
87 I have read the background information. Full-time resident I view it       No.   There will be many against any type of forestry practices but if it is not managed; and according to the map you've provided; it could become a hazardous gateway to the wallowas for fire. I would like to see more thinning in all our forests to decrease these awful fires as air quality is so important to people with lung issues.   I'm sure many will protest the thinning but forest fires are so hard on people with lung issues. I would love to see more thinning in all forests in the wallowas' to protect against this. Good luck. I have no idea how you will pull this one off as there are alot of people who dislike cows on public lands, even though they've realized that decreasing the understory fuels helps stop fires
Personally, i wish grazing rights were completely restored everywhere.
No       I would think forestry practices should be done before or after tourist season to avoid conflicts of hikers and workers. Cows are another matter and depending on the budget, making fences to keep cows out of walking paths or hiking trails?
Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   You can only hope the majority of users will respect other peoples property. The best you can do is frequently posted private property signs and maps indicating where you may go on paths or testricting users to paths and trails. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: It would really be nice to have some sort of handicapped access Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   I wish i would have looked at the map a little closer but a single designated area would be most likely. Support Support Support Support      
88 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.       I'm glad that the forested area will be managed, i.e. it will be thinned, as it was under RY Timber. When you look at it from the east side (Turner Lane) the forest looks healthy. Then look to the left at Mt. Howard, that has not been thinned but has been decimated by disease or bug kill during the last 15 years. I have pictures from my yard 22 years ago showing Mt. Howard covered with trees. Grazing is good to keep tall grass from being a fire hazard. Also, elk seem to prefer to eat grass that's been "trimmed" over the tall, rank stuff. Yes Hiking       Other (please describe): I carry a leash in my pocket and put it on my little dog if I see people on horseback (even though he's used to horses). The dogs I've seen so far have been good on the moraine, unleashed. If people have cow chasers, they should definitely keep their dogs leashed.   Suggestions: Keep it natural! No changes necessary. I am not in favor of special events.   Please don't ruin it. We didn't want it developed, so why try to change it? Support Strongly Support Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
89 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner I view it,Other (please explain): I've seen the moraine since I was a child--I'm hoping my grandchildren will still be able to see it as it is when they are my age--that's why we donated! :) I can no longer hike, etc., but still enjoy seeing it. Other, please explain: Seeing it as I drive around the lake. No.   Not if you do your job. This should be given priority over any desire to make money from grazing rights or logging. Again, when setting priorities this should have priority over grazing rights and logging. Otherwise obviously domestic livestock could compete with wildlife for forage, etc. I'm not sure how commercial harvest benefits the local economy (other than employing a local logging company?)--it seems as though you are thinking about making $$ off the moraine. Selective thinning and wildfire prevention is one thing--commercial harvest, or, God forbid, clear cutting, would have effects on the natural environment and on the cultural issues outlined in the earlier section. This is NOT what we had in mind when we donated. I've never seen grazing on the part of the moraine one can see from the lake (unless in the forest?). I am very opposed to "improvements" like corrals being built. No building on the moraine! Leave it in its natural state! And what about the competition with the mule deer you described above? I do not want the moraine to look like a random ranch! No       I feel viewing is a form of recreation, although I'm guessing that's not what you had in mind, so I put No on the previous question.
Certain kinds of recreation can certainly conflict with the cultural and natural habitat priorities, and should be subservient to them. In general recreation involving wheels should be banned, because of the erosion and habitat destruction overuse causes.
Other (please describe): On leash. For protection of wildlife. And the other hikers. I assume there are already border fences. If so, maybe additional signs saying no trespassing, private property could be added if needed. Has this been a problem in the past? Do you expect a sudden increase in usage now that might create one? Suggestions: As someone who can't access the moraine on foot anymore I'm tempted by the shuttle option, BUT I'm voting no anyway-- I've seen what the traffic jams, waiting times, etc., are at national parks once buses were introduced. Really awful. If you do do something to provide disability access, ONLY on existing roads, and really only for people who can't walk in, so people aren't tempted to lug in tons of junk. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): Maybe sport events IF they are not mob scenes that trample the vegetation, etc. Really I"m for nothing. Certainly not rodeos, weddings, concerts, etc., all of which will involve a lot of motorized traffic. And mobs. I would be ok with educational trail hikes to teach about any artifacts that aren't too vulnerable, and about the plants, mule deer, etc. Led by a trained volunteer/park ranger type person. But otherwise really no non-family sized group events. I don't see how you can do this. I certainly don't want buildings built to house these events. And bringing a lot of people there at the same time will damage the environment and put cultural artifacts at risk. Weddings... with alcohol... yikes. You seem invested in making money off the moraine. That wasn't the idea. It's just fine as it is. If you need more money (for ??) than you can make with timber thinning then fundraise.... I'll contribute again. Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support If the fundraising events are not ON the moraine--could be at the Lodge or the beach, with a view of the moraine. Yes, please explain: I am very happy to have contributed to saving the moraine and preserving it as it looks now. I'm now worried by the tone of some of these questions about the goals of the group in charge....
90 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   The preservation of cultural landmarks could annoy people who would like to use the entirety of the moraine for their own recreation and/or resource extraction. To prevent these conflicts, extremely clear boundaries and communication should be established and cultural resources should be shown to be a priority. Elk habitat could easily conflict with grazing. Setting up a rotating schedule that clearly sets aside time for wildlife during the winter, while opening up grazing opportunities in the summer could help. In order to keep the East Moraine an enticing recreational area forestry should be managed to not impact the aesthetics of the forest (eg. thinning, no clear cut patches)   Yes Hiking,Trail running       On Leash at all times   Clearly mark boundaries and keep trails away from private land Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   Limit group size, set out clear rules (pack out all trash, only use specific areas, no motorized access) Neutral Support Support Neutral   No.  
91 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): habitat for rare and endangered plants and animals. Also, cultural resources (harvesting/hunting) Other, please explain: trailhead near Joseph Yes, please explain: Uncontrolled dogs, people off trail. Inappropriate grazing, recreation, and timber harvest could all have negative impacts on habitat and other cultural resources. Good management and monitoring will be key to maintaining all these important uses. We should have SMART goals and use adaptive management to ensure all resources are protected. It make take delaying harvest, or rotational grazing, but these sacrifices are very short-term. In the hierarchy of uses, cultural resources should be first, followed by rare and endangered species, then timber and grazing. Recreation should be last. Setting clear guidelines and creating a culture of respect for this hierarchy will be key. It shouldn't be a big deal if part of the property is closed for several months for logging--it is an opportunity to celebrate the multiple use objectives and education the public on good forestry practices. Good fences, education of the public, objective monitoring criteria with sounds management objectives will all be needed to demonstrate how grazing, recreation, and habitat management can thrive together. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Other (please describe): view fireworks dogs not under the owner's control, people off trail   On Leash at all times   Good maps and signage Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: The first three are very bad ideas. People can always take the tram if they want a view that doesn't require hiking. Benches/platforms/shuttles are all infrastructure that must be maintained and/or staffed. Do we have extra money for maintaining/staffing them over the long term? Volunteers are unreliable. I am not in favor of special events.   This is not a park--go to the State or County Park if you want these things. The East Moraine is working land. Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Grants, income from the property grazing lease and timber harvest income. Annual parking pass fees. No.  
92 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): preserving open space Other, please explain: knowing a space is protected against development No.   1) Native plants, especially native wildflowers, are very sensitive to prolonged and or repeated livestock grazing. Soils can be severely negatively impacted by livestock grazing. Invasive plants are often spread by livestock grazing. Is it possible to maintain large grazing free zones crossing elevation that can be managed primarily for native plants and wildflowers? Such a preserve would be part of the indigenous cultural heritage as well as a wonderful opportunity for educational trails on native plants for schools, tourists and photographers.
2) with all commercial uses, refraining from herbicides and pesticides and opting for other alternatives for weed and pest control whenever feasible would lessen the toxic impacts on the natural and cultural resources.
3) if possible could indigenous voices and practices direct the management of archaeological sites and indigenous places of importance as well as be influential on other land use decisions for the East Moraine? What do they think is important to maintain or restore? How would they want their long history of place to be honored and communicated?
1) opportunities for habitat restoration projects and community education projects
2) grassland birds that are ground nesting need to be protected during nesting season from grazing and farming disruption or destruction of their nests and young. This could be an opportunity for specific habitat restorations (including targeted fencing) and protections, plus encouragement to re-think how grazing and farming might happen in this place, how they might be integrated into the landscape differently.
It is possible also to re-think what forestry means and what it includes, from mushrooming to sequestering carbon. Also in examining the difference between forests (an integrated mulitfaceted living community) and woodlots. Also in looking at the potential for agroforestry. Please imagine big, imagine what could be and not just what has been. Making grazing less damaging to soil, water, wildlife, native plants, archaeological and cultural sites is a good place to start. There are inherent conflicts. Bringing many voices to the table to share views, stories, feelings and work to find common ground is a very difficult and simultaneously very rewarding path - forging the kinds of connections that have the potential to deepen and strengthen community. There is much I do not understand here and very much want to hear.           On Leash at all times   establishing set trails can help direct use - especially a range of trails with varied accessbility/use, length, and purpose. Signage at the access points can also help. Setting up online digital trail "talks" and website and social media reminders can also be used to reinforce the acknowledgement of and respect for private lands/landowners. Frequent benches/resting places,An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: Map out areas for more and less access - and then plan and implement accordingly (ie. benches frequently on short easy access loop trails, less often for long loops) Weddings,Music concerts,Education camps,Other (please describe): again I suggest mapping out speific event use areas and then restricting events to those places. Exception: educational walks/hikes for groups. Also I didn't click fundraisers or runs/races because it would be so case specific if it would be positive or destructive 1) map out event area(s) and restrict group gathering events to there
2) designate which trails (or potential trails) could be used for runs/races
3) schedule events to not coincide with other events (space them out)
4) schedule events to avoid times/places that are more sensitive to wildlife (ie. mule deer dropping fawns, etc.) under advisement of indigenous voices and wildlife professionals
5) give preference in scheduling to indigenous events/gatherings
6) next in preference for scheduling: educational activities (maximum investment in and connection to place, potentially least damaging in use)
Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Do Not Support online fundraising, friends of the moraine membership, business sponsorships, photographer sponsorships - they can donate photographs to auction off online in lieu of cash, adoption by school classroom, community challenge on coming up with unusual varied diverse ideas for fundraising, stores selling Moraine-related Merchandise (100% of sales to Moraine), talks with minimal charge at venues or even people's homes (House Parties), the list is endless! Yes, please explain: I am already impressed by this survey and the work done so far - congratulations - simply by filling out this survey I am now more involved and committed to support the East Moraine!
93 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,Operator,Neighboring landowner,I view it,Other (please explain): Wildlife management including human interactions and how they interact Other, please explain: Home access on the moraine Yes, please explain: Dogs off leash chasing wildlife including fawns, foxes, deer in mid and late winter and people primarily locals who don't feel that they need to keep their dogs on leash. I have personally wittness intimidation of familys and small children with dogs both on and off leash. I have watched foxes chased to the road twice and have seen shot foxes tacked to fences on the moraine. The greatest potential for loss of cultural resource will be overutilization of recreational activity leading to a degredation of the already protected and conserved areas. That was not the experience of the native Nez Perce and probably is not the what the majority of visitors using the land want to see happen including the Nez Perce. The land and its use are a treasure and should be treated as such. The so called Elk fence should be removed as significant impediment to the migratory patterns of the high mt mule deer population. It represents a natural barrier to local animals as well the number of which probably do not have any significant effect on the local agricultural interests. The only benefit of the fence is to a group of local hunters who rely on the benefits of corraling wild game for easy acces and kill with depradation permits. It may be beneficial and safer to close areas of the Moraine during hunting season or if fish and game determine there are too many animals for limited habitat. This must be understood, will be unpopular but probably at times necessary to preserve quality of the landscape and wildlife.
The rims of the moraine will not tolerate extensive use as they have thin soil, a dry high dessert climate and drying winds. Maintainence of the habitat may require regulation usage of the trails for the amount and type of traffic.
Mt bike usage in the thin and dry areas should not be allowed and exclusive use of trails must be emphasized to protect flora and fauna of the east moraine.
Access to areas of the east moraine when forestry harviest is underway should be stopped and public should be educated to expect this and graciously support. This is simple safety for public and less liability for ownership.
Dogs must be on leash if this is to happen particularly if there is dual use. There only exceptions for those handling the cattle/grazing activity.
I would hope that general grazing would be limited to preserve wildlife needs but I think there is enough particularly on the Yanke section to allow both. I would hate to see heavily fenced sections that further impede migratory patterns of the high mt mule deer.
Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Photography I have personally watched mt bikers lay down fences. They do not stay on the trails and the thin soil will not tolerate this activity. The planned triple use of the green gate area for horses, mt bikes and hikers is utter foolishness. First it is unsafe to unload stock on highway with limited room and access for vehicles and trailers which cannot be turned around or even parked in the area especially with increased use.
While foot traffic and horse traffic can easily coexist, fast moving trail bikes combined with foot traffic and horse traffic is a recipe for conflict and accident. Attempting to make this happen without careful planning and traffic control on short notice is a fool's errand.
Perhaps careful planning of separate trails sytems for bikes horses and foot travelers will prevent conflict and accident.
Rules of the trail will need to be firmly established with enforcement if this land is to be preserved and and not "loved to death."
Finally, overuse will require prolong restoration and prevention and control in advance will decrease argument and conflict. Short term solutions to people control and overuse will lead to headache, heartache and probably litigation. Long term plans should include mitigation of overuse, definitive process for restoration and a clear understanding that this can and will impact time and type of usage.
As an owner of land on the north end of the moraine, I will not hesitate to close my land if respect for wildlife, fauna and natural beauty are degraded with overuse. That includes dogs on leash only and clean up excrement, no camping, no fires, no monuments, traffic on trails only to protect and maintain the natural beauty, no fireworks, don't pick the flowers so others can also enjoy,no hunting unless ODFW feel necessary to protect and maintain the natural beauty or for accepted management needs.
The rim is fragile land with thin soil, minimal rain and may well need regulated foot traffic to maintain the natural beauty. It will not sustain bikes and horse traffic. Other areas could be designated for these activities. Also, should local families want an event on the moraine I think there there should be a provision for this as well.
Strong understanding of overuse problems and how to regulate them should be established in advance in so far as possible. It is painful to do this now but much less painful when problems arise and emotional reactions use up creative energy.
From a practical point of view, keep the horse facilities and access on the east side of the moraine where there is more room for corrals, truck and trailer turning and parking. Safer stock loading and unloading and less traffic conflict. You cannot be all things to all people on the same limited land on the west side at the green gate. Seems like common sense.
Good planning starts with good vision and good vision for the east moraine should include the entire moraine not just the Yanke addition and local tradition.
Usage will impact vision directly please carefully consider how usage will impact your vision.
  On Leash at all times   Rights of private land owners should not be abused. No need for further discussion Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: Instead of the word frequent use the word strategic to place benches and resting places for enjoyment and protection of beauty and land. Overuse may well require control sites and probably this should at least be included in mitigation of overuse/abuse. An electric shuttle system at designated days and times would be an overuse of your limited resource. I would favor consideration for a short distance ADA portion of multiuse trail at the north end of the moraine with access to the top if appropriate land could be found to make this possible. A big ask but also a large need for families and friends who would like to get out and enjoy if possible. This could be made possible with community support. Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps,Other (please describe): No overnite use and probably size limits should be carefully planned. l. Size matters-careful consideration for number of events, number of attendents, and impact on environment of the event. Rules of behaviors, clean up and mitigation should be established in advance
2. Timing and closure should be addressed to lessen impact on non event users
3. Consider designated days (times) for activities
4. Consider how these events will impact your long term vision and what you want to achieve.
5. Event monitor probably would be appropriate so that overutilization can be stopped.
6. Consider some type of bond or reserve to mitigate any damage caused by usage and suggest that it by provided at the time of booking
7. Establish rules of usage do you want 4 wheeled vehicles, how many horses how many people, how long the activity kinds of activities and perhaps only limited activities. Will you allow motorized activity support and how much if you do allow. The land is fragile and wild generally good for grazing, some timber, and limited hunting. Think of how the Nez Perce would view the land and its use and whether the land could sustain that use. How will the event affect the primary users of the moraines including wildlife, fauna, and other human uses in that consideration.
Support Support Support Strongly Do Not Support No motorized use. That is pandora's box and once opened will never be closed. Perhaps an ongoing educational experience for many levels of local schools could be used for evaluation of use limited local care, and innovative fundraising could be useful. Yes, please explain: A clear long term vision and support plan for that vision is vitally important to health and enjoyment of the east moraine as a whole and not just the Yanke addition. The moraine is a treasure and should be treated as such and not plundered to satisfy the loudest complainer. To preserve its beauty and attraction will require careful thought and planning. It will not be possible to make all users happy all of the time. Stick to the vision and practical ways to make it work. Start simply and enlarge the usage as control and benefit all a continued attractive place. Frenetic activity is only a part of recreation but room for quiet contemplation is vital to good recreation as well.
94 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Other (please explain): Keeping it a well managed, sustainable piece of land that stands as an example of how well thoughtful use by recreational, ranching, logging can enhance a piece of land. Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   I think there are potential conflicts between all groups. A well developed plan for management that includes the whole of what is to be managed, most especially maintaining and improving the land, is important to develop. We should not be trying to "preserve" the land itself. That only serves to degrade and diminish its health. Some may object to dogs being brought onto the moraine without being leashed the entire time. I am opposed to this. Good dog owners should not be asked to restrain their dogs to keep them from chasing deer and other wildlife. They will manage their dogs properly to not allow that. It will be important to educate promote to the general public the benefits of good forestry for the land, habitat, and community. Very important to develop a solid plan. Important to educate the public on the benefits of planned grazing for the health of the land and forest. Planned grazing, where the cattle are moved from pasture to pasture throughout the grazing season is very important. Cattle should not be just put up on the moraine and allowed to move at their own pace over the entirety of the area all grazing season. Sound grazing practices tell us that cattle will selectively graze if allowed to stay in a large pasture for long periods of time and therefore, over graze the areas they like. Planned, rotational grazing helps to reduce negative impacts. A grazing plan should be developed that includes numbers, pastures, and vegetation goals. Yes Hiking   none   Other (please describe): Pet owners should be responsible for controlling their pets however that works for them. Pets should not be allowed to chase wildlife, cattle, or harm people. There shouldn't be a one size fits all rule, such as always on leash. Appropriate signage in appropriate places. Frequent benches/resting places,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps     Neutral Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral   Yes, please explain: The local public needs to be kept informed of the benefits of the moraine and how it is being managed. I hope you have a good website that is routinely updated to help promote the moraine in a positive way.
95 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): significant geologic resource "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   On-site interpretation of cultural, natural resources and resource use has the potential for mitigating conflict between historical resource uses and recreation through a better understanding of the value for protecting and managing the area.   It would be appropriate for the forest management objectives be forest ecosystem-based rather than a production-based approach in order to achieve the multiple use goals desired. Suggest that the grazing management structures/facilities be designed and placed by utilizing visual management objectives for reducing both on-site and off-site recreational uses. Yes Hiking   I have not personally observed user conflicts.   Other (please describe): Place pet waste bag dispensers at trailheads. Explain with small signs that adjacent private owners are working to cooperate with recreation users. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   I am not in favor of special events.   Limit special events for interpretive and educational tours guided by approved and trained leaders. Strongly Support Support Neutral Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: I continue to have concerns that the management of the area be consistent with the mission statement and guidelines for all uses.
96 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: Range developments not maintained No Potential conflict if snowmobiling happens on winter range. Is this allowed now? It's already been cut heavily. Please manage the trees left with thinning, etc Rotational grazing would be great Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   None   Voice command   Stay off private land Suggestions: DO NOT DO ANY OF THE ABOVE! I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): There are plenty of venues in the county for the above events No "events" unless the tribe wants to         Grazing fees and timber receipts Yes, please explain: Have the permittee and timber harvesters do weed control
97 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner,I view it   Other, please explain: My property off Red Tail Lane No.   If there is any type of commercial activities and or motorized vehicles of any type permitted on the East Moraine for profit in the foreseeable future, will compromise the cultural of the indigenous people and natural beauty we all have come to love, enjoy and appreciate. There would be a definite conflict between wildlife and users if the status quo is disrupted anymore than it is today. As more people are enjoying the East Moraine, we see less and less wildlife. This is due to the presents of humans and their DOGS that are free to roam and chase the wildlife. The balance would be to leave a good thing alone and encourage dog owners to leash their pets! I've seen forestry "selective thinning" operations in the past and once they start it becomes a clear cutting operation...forestry, habitat, vegetation and wildlife destruction on a major scale! Not sure there can be a balance when it comes to forestry practices. The East Moraine is unique in every way and if disturbed by "selective thinning to commercial harvest" will destroy forever!!! Properly managed grazing has and can work hand in hand in maintaining the East Moraine to what it is today. I believe that ranchers along with The Wallowa Lake Moraines Partnership can do a better job in managing grazing on the East Moraine wildlife and user friendly by replacing and removing all barbwire. It has been proven that this type of fencing is not required to manage livestock. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): viewing all its beauty! Unleashed dogs free to terrorize wildlife!!!   On Leash at all times   Golden Rule! Suggestions: none of the above! All these options can be utilized and enjoyed by taking the Tram up Mt Howard. Leave the East Moraine in its natural beauty! If it aren't broke, why fix it!!! Can't we just leave the East Moraine well enough alone as God intended! I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): OMGosh, let the East Moraine be! Why oh why would you want to be in favor of any of these activities on the East Moraine! Isn't bad/good enough that you can find these activities at the South end of Wallowa Lake, Mt Howard (Tram), Joseph and Enterprise, why the East Moraine too! Where will it end!!! By the way, have you sent this survey out to the wildlife? There is NO balance!! Neutral Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Please, please leave the Moraine as is!
98 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: moraine entrance from chief joseph grave Yes, please explain: The audacious new home built on the moraine by the retired doctor. A stain on the land. Recreation must respect preservation. Increased foot traffic will disrupt the integrity of such a fragile ecosystem, especially considering the north and much of the west moraine have already been developed. The same applies. Keep it wild. In moderation only. With respect to grazing, we are talking about a 100 year-old tradition, versus thousands of years of cultural heritage. Yes Hiking       On Leash at all times     Suggestions: None of the above. The more infrastructure, the more damage. Locals are already enjoying its beauty. Any additions beyond signage / information will engender overuse and degradation. I am not in favor of special events.   Limit involvement to numbers 10 and under. Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support yearly off-limit days to non-native peoples, so the tribe can gather and perform traditional ceremony. Yes, please explain: Thank you for your work! And nice logo.
99 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner,I view it,Other (please explain): our sanctuary!! Other, please explain: bottom of our driveway Yes, please explain: occasional trash and loose dogs running uncontrolled keep the land sacred loose dogs chasing said wildlife keep the forest (trees et.al.) healthy loose dogs harassing said livestock Yes Hiking,Mountain/trail biking,Skiing,Other (please describe): birding excessive traffic on Turner Ln; parking on the N. side of the road, leaving trash, i fear the potential of grass-fire started by careless smokers. giant RVs should NOT be allowed to venture down Turner! the road is going to get worse i. e. washboarded etc.   Other (please describe): voice, leash, responsible pet owners need to have their (dogs) animals under control at all times more signage Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: keep it as natural as possible! make the „green gate“ the main entrance, update the maps -> seems like (out-of-town) tourons think they can drive their motorhomes down Turner Ln. and access the lake via (logging) „roads“ I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): with this pandemic‘s „end“ nowhere near in sight i strongly suggest NO specisl events be held on the moraine! by not having any Support Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: please limit access via the Turner Ln gate
100 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Nearly all uses can be balanced if everyone is educated. Good signage will be critical. For example, as a mountain biker I might not live cattle or be particularly attuned to the cultural significance, but with good information we can all coexist and appreciate other uses. No. Large machines and significant alterations of roads, terrain, and forests should be minimized. Cows destroy trails pretty badly. Hiking or mountain biking trails will get badly damaged if cows walk on them when they are wet or soft at all. Yes Hiking,Mountain/trail biking   None yet.   Voice command   Signage - both boundaries and educational signage. Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   Races/runs can stay on trails, weddings can be small and not include tents or structures. Support Support Support Neutral Well designed mountain bike trails could make the area an incredible attraction for NE Oregon. Yes, please explain: I have not accessed the moraine from the backside, but I'd suspect it would be better to limit motorized access to there. Professionally built mountain bike trails, while expensive, would be an amazing use that would likely become one of the prime ways the area is accessed for visitors.
101 I have read the background information. Full-time resident I view it,Other (please explain): Enjoy its pristine beauty & hiking "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: dogs off leash & their droppings Leave it as it is using sustainable timber & grazing management practices. Leave it as it is using sustainable timber & grazing management practices. Leave it as it is using sustainable timber & grazing management practices. Leave it as it is using sustainable timber & grazing management practices. Yes Hiking   Dogs at large and their ignored droppings.   On Leash at all times   Leave it as it is using sustainable timber & grazing management practices. Suggestions: Should be an option for NONE of those. Leave it as it is using sustainable timber & grazing management practices. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): Leave it as it is using sustainable timber & grazing management practices. No. Leave it as it is using sustainable timber & grazing management practices. There are plenty of places to have events in Wallowa county.   Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support If you want to put a donation box at the beginning of the trail/s fine. Otherwise figure out some other way to get donations. It should be discreet and keeping with the landscape. Yes, please explain: Leave it as it is using sustainable timber & grazing management practices.
102 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   No vehicles in its maintenance. I foresee issues with the wildlife if the county turns this beautiful place into an event area bringing large crowds. Leave it how it is NATURAL. don't turn it into a,park, don't advertise it. Seems to be fine just how it is right now. Yes Hiking   None so far   Voice command   Have signs up where the private properties are Suggestions: None of these I am not in favor of special events.   This community, through hard work, raised the money to purchase this land. Do not change this beautiful area and commercialize it. That will be a huge tragedy. Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
103 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: Copious cow poo   Grazing, the elk fence, logging, spraying herbicide, trapping, overuse by recreation can all have negative impacts on habitat. Partners like the county and Wallowa Resources have a history of prioritizing active management and extractive activities above ecological concerns. That's especially true when we're talking about carnivores and other native wildlife that are considered problematic. Local perspectives on logging are largely out of sync with the best available science and 21st century conservation values. There is a place for logging, but it needs to be appropriate. And notably, the public (and lots of donors to this effort) won't take well to seeing aggressive logging. Cows can cause tremendous ecological damage and reduce recreational enjoyment of public - or quasi-public - lands. Grazing also creates conflict with wildlife and wildlife are usually the ones that suffer. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Wildlife watching I've not experienced it here, but horses can cause damage to trails and conflict with hikers (and vice versa). Mountain biking can have negative impacts on wildlife - especially at sensitive times of year.   Other (please describe): Wow...that's tough. It's a place where a few bad actors can spoil it for everyone else. It'd be very hard to lose the privilege to which we've become accustomed of allowing our very well-behaved dog to be off leash. Especially when cows cause tremendous damage and are welcomed without any similar restrictions. Signage...encouragement of reporting violations and users correcting other users...and aggressive enforcement. Suggestions: Presuming that use will increase dramatically, it seems wise to discourage lots of dispersed recreation. I'd hate to see motorized access or increased development beyond that which protects/enhances the values and/or some limited resting places, viewing sites, educational signage, etc. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): Very limited and non-commercial. Limit to non-commercial and small numbers. Strongly Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Funding from foundations, agencies, etc. Yes, please explain: Thank you for listening.
104 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: I was reprimanded for walking with dog off leash. Landowner explained why and we ended on good terms, but the dog situation needs to be nailed down and consistent across properties. Dogs are a potentially conflict for animal habitat. Grazing, even well managed, can destroy some native foods. Any excavation or change to the landscape would alter the cultural value, including fencing, trails, parking and signage. Minimal infrastructure is one way to balance, also use of exclosures, dogs required to be leashed. Dogs should be leashed, exclosures or "stay on trail" requirements at certain times of year. Logging can be destructive and hard on the understory. Perhaps winter logging to preserve the ground? I trust good practices will be used but there will still be a difference of opinion when it comes to cutting trees, how many, which ones etc. It will likely be at odds with habitat restoration. native plants getting munched. Requires more fences than would otherwise be necessary Yes Hiking   worried about my dog getting in a trap. Figuring out when dogs must be leashed.   On Leash at all times   signage at trailhead, tear away maps for users to carry. Suggestions: limit # of permits Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps,Other (please describe): disruptive events aren't good for wildlife Hold events at the state park Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support      
105 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.     Conflicts between wintering mule deer and recreationists, cross country skiing, snow mobiling, drone flying. Logging needs to be done after the wintering deer have gone back up the mountain and not late in the fall when they are coming down. Also no logging during any hunting season, so they cant access hunting areas via vehicle or disturb hunters. No conflicts as long as stocking rates stay reasonable low. Yes Hiking,Hunting,Other (please describe): attended a wedding     Other (please describe): no off leash during any hunting season or winter/spring when deer are stressed Post it with signs Frequent benches/resting places,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps,Other (please describe): Need to keep events small. This is not a place for people or groups to profit off of. A fun run is fine, but not if it gets TOO big. Keep them small! Limit the number of people/participants.   Strongly Support Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
106 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: Excessive cow shit Excessive logging and grazing conflict with their values. These activities should be minimized. The cows especially have done excessive damage up there. Yes, too many people on the moraine can conflict with the animals. Logging practices in Wallowa county are never carefully done. Examples that I have been shown are almost clear cuts. There must be agreement between loggers and someone that actually understands careful logging. Smaller herds. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Skiing   None really. There aren't that many bikers to cause issues.   Voice command   Put signs up. I have no idea where the private land starts. Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   Other than sitting on the plateau, I can't imagine what kind of events could be held up there. Are you thinking big event tents? I'm not a supporter of that rather casual weddings and music. But everyone would have to walk up there with few exceptions. Support Support Support   Season pass No.  
107 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Assuming that a cultural resources survey has been completed in consultation with the Tribe and any managment decisions account for the known cultural resources as well as general resource values, I would not expect major conflicts as the values of the parties engaged are alighned. No monstrous homes! Conflicts may arise between recreational users and wildlife, such as mountain bikers or even trail runners that spook wildlife. This can be manager through seasonal closures of certain parts or all of the property if it becomes a problem. Lots of folks might protest logging without realizing the beneficial inpacts of active forest managment, especially those that don't actually live in rural Oregon, much less Wallowa County itself. I think education is essential, and the Moraine serves as a golden opportunity to showcase a balance of values. Similar to logging, folks may object to grazing, but the Moraine is a golden opportuntiy to showcase the benefics of rotational grazing for grassland restoration, carbon sequestation, and maintaning economic drivers in rural communities. Yes Hiking,Mountain/trail biking,Skiing   None!   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Make boundaries clear without fencing if possible Frequent benches/resting places,An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.   If events are held on on the property, there should be a designated event space near an entrance with limited entry. Strongly Support Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support Permit fees for access for certain activities like MTN biking or horse riding that fund trail creation and maintenance No.  
108 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No No conflicts Make sure it's done with minimal impact and in a sustainable manner. Cow shit on the green gate road. Yes Hiking   None   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails     Suggestions: Leave it as is. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps     Strongly Support Strongly Support       No.  
109 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Other (please explain): Long family history in Wallowa County. Four generations. Over the decades we have watched the battle to save the Moraine. It finally has happened. Let's not backslide now. Save it to see it as we now know it, forever.. Save it for very light visitations. I stand in favor of no improvements beyond what is there now. Leave it alone and keep it part of the landscape that makes Wallowa County so impressive and attractive. Other, please explain: Mostly with my eyes and soul No.   yes. Preservation of the Moraine is the primary opportunity we have. Conservation of the historical cultural resources is next. Other "opportunities" are more than likely to be viewed as developmental and I am largely opposed to what would be development of the property.
Absolutely fundraisers, dances, cycling or running races, weddings, rodeos, airstrips, motor sports, other special events and the like should not even be under consideration. No tourist facilities or services aside from an interpretive sign at the foot of the lake . Keep it as natural and pristine as possible.
If actions are taken to call attention to the East Moraine or turn it into an attraction beyond what it has been in recent years tourist impact will increase and natural create conflicts with wildlife and what have been traditional uses in recent decades. Manage for a healthy forest while keeping cultural resources in mind along with with the health of the grasslands to sustain traditional grazing activity. Human recreation is not an opportunity which should be given primacy. Manage for healthy grassland stands to sustain traditional grazing without adversely impacting forest management and preservation of cultural resources. Keep recreation impact at status quo or reduce. Human recreation is not an opportunity which should be given primacy. No       I see plenty of future conflicts with the growth of human recreation activities.
Again, human recreation is not an opportunity which should be given primacy.
At a maximum human recreation should remain at status quo or less. Actions should not be taken to allow greater traffic by humans on the land--whether by foot, by horse, by non-motorized or motorized machine.
On Leash at all times   Signage. Enforcement of penalties. Suggestions: At this point I do not favor any of the above proposals. What I would favor is taking time and not rushing into any actions. The action to preserve the property is now only six months old. The current pandemic and economic situation is likely not a very representative time to be making judgments about the future of the East Moraine. Why not attempt to manage the property for the status quo for the most part for at least a couple of years to learn some lessons about what makes most sense. Especially in terms of whether increasing accessibility is something that would be desirable. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): I am not in favor of any special events other educational opportunities that are oriented towards the geology of the region and enhancement of the public's knowledge of the natural and cultural history (with emphasis on indigenous settlement) of the region. As mentioned earlier events should be oriented toward education--natural and cultural history with emphasis on indigenous settlement. Seek collaboration with existing respected organizations in the county -- Josephy Center, Wallowology. Keep groups small for light impact. Strongly Support Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Any fundraising events should not be held on the East Moraine property aside from an associated trail hike or light impact and limited vehicle use. The "event" with any gala type activity , auctions etc should not be held on the property. Yes, please explain: Take the necessary time to understand what is needed and what is not desirable. I would not like to see decisions taken within the next three years that smack of "development" for increased tourist use or human accessibility. You worked hard to achieve acquisition of the land. Please do not take actions which will lose you future financial support from the very people who allowed the acquisition of the land to happen.
110 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No Monitor cattle grazing Manage for fire prevention Respect and cooperation are key Yes Hiking   None   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Posted reminder and acknowledgement of privilege Frequent benches/resting places,Suggestions: Assigned day for motorized use for handicapped Weddings,Music concerts,Education camps   Guidelines and monitoring for compliance Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Support   Yes, please explain: Just THANK YOU! ♥️
111 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   Overuse on any   Managed for a healthy forest with selective thinning seems to fit   Yes Hiking   None to date.   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails     Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: Change frequent to a few.       Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support        
112 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: People not locals with their dogs who attack horses and run wild and then their owners rip horse riders and say we have no rights to be there. And bike riders who ride up on horses and the riders say horses shouldn't be there. As long as native plants aren't invasive and if they are they are managed for neighbors with spray and control of them. No we have ridden the east side for over 25 years and the wildlife belongs there and cattle keep fire hazards down. Managed forests make healthy forest I hope they manage and log as needed to keep the neighbors property safe and the timber healthy Cattle need to be on the land to keep it safe of fire and growth over growing Yes Horseback riding   People who aren't local seem to bitch and tell at horse back riders. Maybe a sign to explain the multi use and educational display to explain how to handle dogs with horses, and safety about riding bikes up on horses.   Other (please describe): Unless they mind and come when called and don't chase. Undestand parking in front of property owners gates is not acceptable and blocking roads. Frequent benches/resting places,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: Nothing built that changes the true life of the area Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps,Other (please describe): No hay and cars driven and it not closed for events like weddings. Limits people, limit type of events and what is used. Support Support Support Neutral 5 a year Yes, please explain: No bathrooms and outhouses. Limit parking on the road.
113 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): ecology Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   Visitors to the Moraine should tread lightly, take nothing, and leave nothing behind. Too much use could damage plant and animal habitat. Recreational use should be limited to walking or cross-country ski. Although I have dogs and would love to let them run, that should not be allowed. Management of the beautiful trees should be done to maximize the health of the forest. Occasional closure to recreation use for thinning is fine. The forestry practice should not be for profit. I don't see any conflict as long as there isn't over-grazing. Yes Hiking,Skiing   None -- but hunting would be worrisome from a safety point of view.   On Leash at all times   Notices at the entrances about private property. Maybe some blazes on trails that would steer hikers away from private property boundaries. Suggestions: Don't add anything Education camps   No. Don't have events. It will damage the environment. It's not a park; it should be a natural and cultural preserve. Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Sell day trail passes for modest fee No.  
114 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it       No.   Allowing motor vehicles on the East Moraine will increase damage to cultural resources. There should be no motor vehicles of any kind on the East Moraine. Management of the East Moraine should remain in local control. (Wallowa County residents only). The forage on the Moraine is limited but I believe grazing should be allowed but monitored so it is not overgrazed. No         Other (please describe): Each person is responsible for keeping their pet under control and it doesn't matter how they choose to do it. Do not put regualtions on pet control. Adaquate signage of private property. Suggestions: None of the above, keep the East Moraine pristine. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): There are many other places in this county for special events. I am against development of the East Moraine in any way. It should be accessed by foot only. I have hiked the East Moraine in the past and it was a wonderful experience but don't increase damage to the Moraine by allowing events. There's plenty of places for events in this county. Do Not Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Forget the development of the East Moraine. It appears from this questioneer that there is some intent into making it into a park or recreational area.
115 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Grazing can damage habitats, destroy native plants and cause soil erosion. When livestock eat native plants, invasive plants often replace them. This reduces food supply in ecosystems because the animals start competing for non-invasive plants for food.   My main concern is that public acces for recreation not be blocked by commercial concerns. Also, I worry that grazing will damage the environment and native plant life. I disagree that grazing is central to the identity of our rural community. I think that current grazing should be reduced and emphasis should be on cultural resources, recreation, and forest management. I am against any fencing or gates that limit public access in any way. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Hunting,Skiing       On Leash at all times   Trails should be spaced appropriately away from private property and signs should remind people to mind their manners and pick up their trash. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Fundraisers,Education camps   I am against events that would close the area to general public access. Events should relatively small and not too frequent. Support Support Support Support low impact mototized use should be infrequent except to aid handicapped access. No.  
116 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   The stated objectives of retaining forestry and grazing must be done in ways that consider the Cultural Resources and public recreation that exist on the moraine. My view of what that means is a carefully managed endeavor that is minimally invasive to the landscape.   My previous comments regarding Cultural Resources apply equally, if not more strongly to this aspect of management. Given the vision of a multipurpose property that is maintained as a permanently preserved property, forestry practices must be carefully managed.   Yes Hiking   None   Other (please describe): general consideration of other users obvious signage and fencing to let the public know where the private lands begin Suggestions: the moraine should be kept in it's natural state. Manmade benches, platforms or any vehicular transportation have no place there. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): small private groups might be considered, but heavy use events, such as large athletic events are not appropriate small events with a limited number of participants would have a minimal impact on the landscape. Larger events would not be in keeping with that same philosophy. The inevitable management of large groups and the accompanying problems of heavy foot traffic, trash, and trespass issues make those events inappropriate. Support Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: the various development ideas, such as electric cars, platforms, large and small events, and motorized vehicles as included in the survey are completely in opposition to the orginal stated preservation of the east moraine. These are not ideas that were ever presented in discussions of purchasing this land to preserve!
117 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   No No No No Yes Hiking       Voice command     Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Music concerts,Education camps   Restrict areas for use Strongly Support Strongly Support Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
118 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Other, please explain: Foot of lake No.     No No No Yes Hiking   No   Voice command     Suggestions: Leave it like it is. Fix the green gate before someone gets hurt. I am not in favor of special events.     Neutral Do Not Support Do Not Support Do Not Support   No.  
119 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Other, please explain: Both Turner Lane and green gate No.   No No No I am an occasional mountain biker on the East Moraine, and one of my favorite things about riding there is saying 'Hi' to the cattle as I pedal by them. But other cyclists may need to be reminded to be respectful of them and give them some space. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Skiing   None   Other (please describe): Can be off-leash but be prepared to "leash up" when encountering other folks. No trespassing Suggestions: Maybe a bench at the top. That's it. I am not in favor of special events.   Don't have any. Strongly Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Do Not Support   No.  
120 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Operator   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.     No No No No       No On Leash at all times   Well marked borders, well maintained fences. Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Weddings,Music concerts,Education camps   Specifically designated areas with upkeep offset by charges for events. Strongly Support Strongly Support Support Support   No.  
121 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Other (please explain): Scenic value. Other, please explain: Getting too old, health issues; how about a ADA limited access via an electric cart No.   Need ADA access ie. electric cart, say 1X per quarter. This is NOT wilderness & should serve all including old,ADA folks - at least B occasionally. No No Yes Other (please describe): Walks ...     Other (please describe): Leashes when within view of other people. Small barbed wire hung signs along the way. Frequent benches/resting places,An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: Motorized meaning Electrical - no internal engines! Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Education camps   Require deposit, require low/no impact planning. Support Support Support Support Electric vehicles Yes, please explain: Charge fees to pay for events/weddings, etc. w/ large deposits to discourage abuse.
122 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   No No No No Yes Hiking   None   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Have good signage Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.   I don't think there should be special events in order to keep the wildness of the area as it is. Too many people trampling around would interfere with the wildness Support Support Support Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Please keep it special and wild!
123 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: Dogs not on a leash I see a conflict with cultural activity and grazing if dogs are unleashed and if motorized vehicles (ATV or motorbikes used for recreation). No dogs on the moraine will reduce the risk of destroying wildlife and natural habitat. No No Yes Hiking   Motorized vehicles and mountain bikes will be difficult to control thereby making it less enjoyable for hiking.   Other (please describe): None at all since people don't follow leash laws in this area now. Education. Education. Education.. Respect for property and respect for individuals is rapidly disappearing in this county. There is no way to enforce rules that are set in place. Suggestions: People who can't get up onto the moraine have access to the views by utilizing the tram. I don't think there is any need for providing access for everyone. I am not in favor of special events.   No Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
124 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: north end of east moraine No.     Hunting can be a conflict no   Yes Hiking           clear signage. Hams letter in the paper is worth posting on site. Suggestions: as natural as possible with limited allowance for disabilities as listed I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): very small groups for weddings, education, very small groups with permit, under 20 or so. Is there some public "benefit" and no other appropriate place available? And not "too" many. Support Strongly Do Not Support Neutral Do Not Support one box at main entrance. permits for small groups with persuasive justification, motorized only for disabled or equivalent reason. Yes, please explain: Maybe limited habitat support, bird houses, salt licks, water supply
125 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No No No No Yes Hiking       Voice command         Weddings,Rodeos,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps               No.  
126 I have read the background information. Occasional Visitor (less than once/year) Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.     No No No Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Other (please describe): Snowshoeing None   Other (please describe): All of the above are adequate at times Fencing, signs Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Weddings,Rodeos,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps,Other (please describe): Anything that's executed responsibly Limit use of motorized vehicles Strongly Support Support Neutral Neutral   No.  
127 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.     I would like to see the area closed to motorized use. I could see that as an unnecessary impact on wildlife. no Trail degradation due to heavy traffic of cows. Yes Hiking,Mountain/trail biking,Horseback riding   none   Voice command   adequate tasteful signage at potential infringement points Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps     Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support   No.  
128 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   Everyone is friendly. we give each other space and respect the cattle that are up there. leave no garbage and pick up. No No No Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   None   Voice command     Suggestions: No electricity I am not in favor of special events.   More people would have a negative impact on a very beautiful area. garbage and toilet paper and human waste would become a real problem. Support   Support        
129 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No No No No Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   None   Voice command   No Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   No Support Support Support Support   No.  
130 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Other (please explain): To keep it as it is - UNDEVELOPED, as it was sold to those of us that contributed to the purchase. Other, please explain: The trail from the west, approximately across the road from Iwetemlaykin Heritage site. No.   No structures should be installed at all. No, as long as no structures are installed. No No, as long as no structures are installed. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Photography None to date   On Leash at all times   Tasteful signs at all entrance points stating this is a privilege to walk on these lands - be respectful and keep all pets on leash. Suggestions: None of the above. Just as it was sold to those of us that contributed. Saving the Moraine as it has been for thousands of years. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): No events at all! No events at all!         No events - no structures. Strongly support maintaining the Moraine as it is - no more, no less. Yes, please explain: Do Not Develop! That is not what I and others contributed to!
131 I have read the background information. Occasional Visitor (less than once/year) Recreation Use,Other (please explain): to see it's protected for the future Other, please explain: not sure No.   no conflicts- all uses sound good no no no Yes Hiking   none   On Leash at all times   post signs for clear boundaries Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   remind people to leave it better than when they arrived Support Strongly Support Support Do Not Support   No.  
132 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: Bruce Ham yelling at me from his porch and then hiking up to meet me on the trail on my way back. As a female alone on a trail is was quite menacing. No Yes, if we allow more than the occasional hiker (such as large groups or weddings) there would be a negative impact on the wildlife that inhabits the area. No No Yes Hiking,Trail running   Bruce Ham being a bully is the only conflict I have had   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   No Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Education camps,I am not in favor of special events.   No Strongly Support Support Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
133 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: Across rd from Iwetemlaykin No.   The joint benefactors know that they must work together. To me that implies no conflict. I hope to see interpretive signage regarding the Nez Perce, great trails with some benches and well fenced livestock areas with proper access gates. No No No Yes Hiking   None   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Fencing Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps       Support Support Do Not Support   No.  
134 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Trespassing with Neighboring properties. no no no, encourage grazing Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Hunting,Skiing   Trespassing on Neighboring properties.   Voice command   Signage and boundary maps Suggestions: Leave it the way it is now. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Fundraisers,Education camps     Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Less is better. It is great the way it is right now. there is no need to make many changes.
135 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   No Possible. People horses etc could impact animals. But if done properly such use should work No Just need to dust traditional uses to be more protective Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   None   Other (please describe): Depends on the animal. This is tricky. Well trained dogs are fine but not all have control. Dogs can spook horses and make other hikers feel threatened if not clearly under control. No Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: No motorized Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps,Other (please describe): No large gatherings that would impact environment Keep them small and unintrusive Support Strongly Support Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
136 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No No No No Yes Hiking   None   On Leash at all times   Signage and fences Suggestions: Please leave it as it is. No need for all of the above I am not in favor of special events.   No events please Neutral Support Do Not Support Do Not Support   No.  
137 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   no no no no Yes Hiking,Skiing   none   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   no Suggestions: keep it wild I am not in favor of special events.   no events should be held Strongly Support Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
138 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No no no no Yes Hiking   none   Other (please describe): no pets allowed   Suggestions: none I am not in favor of special events.     Support   Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support boxes none on the moraine moraine No.  
139 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No No No No Yes Hiking,Trail running   No conflicts experienced   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Signs indicating where private land begins Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps     Support Neutral Support Support   No.  
140 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No no conflicts no conflicts I'd want less grazing Yes Hiking   none   On Leash at all times   no Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts     Support Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
141 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Other, please explain: both sides, Turner lane for horse trailer entry No.   Grazing over cultural resources always seems to be an issue. Continue to graze the land. wolf conflicts,and other predator conflicts with recreation issues are a probability. But users should know they are entering at their own risk. It s is the forest border. no conflicts seen, unless environmental groups decide to sue, which always seems like a high chance public may not have control of their dogs which may chase cattle. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   just a little bit of micromanagement, like people think they can comment on anything you are doing and try to enforce a rule of theirs. I would just like a place of freedom to exist, like it has been for years. Too many rules and signs and warnings can ruin a solace place.   Other (please describe): I don't own a dog anymore, but dogs can cause many problems . Everyone thinks their dog is the best, and that dog could be horrible. The thing that concerns me is an out of control dog chasing cows or horseback rider. Dog owners usually win out and horseback riders get the oust, which is very frustrating at this point. I would like to see shock collars. Hang signs letting users know on the fencelines Suggestions: not in favor of developing any of that. It will just attract more over extended use, especially from tourists. I would like to see this place more catered to the locals the find serenity in their spaces close to town Weddings,Rodeos,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers     Support Do Not Support Neutral Neutral   Yes, please explain: Do not hang a bunch of signs with rules. I hate the potential fact that I cannot ride my horse here or there, but the one trail only is allowed. And I can only.hike here, and not there. This multi use has worked for generations with hardly any conflicts amongst users. Let it remain a place of freedom
142 I have read the background information. Occasional Visitor (less than once/year) Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I hope that recreation does not involve any motorized vehicles, and that grazing will not be detrimental to any of the Nez Pert landmarks. No No conflicts so long as the commercial harvest is not too great. I don't know enough about this
Yes Hiking,Trail running   None   On Leash at all times   Respect their land Frequent benches/resting places   I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
143 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Forest and grasslands need some level of disturbance to maintain balance so i don't forsee conflicts except for the extreme conservationist. No issues no issue no issue as long as herds are keep to a size the grasslands can support Yes Hiking   Lack of respect for the environment. Trash and litter near the start point                                
144 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Would like things to stay the same. Worried about further restrictions for public use and recreation. No issues No issues as long as areas are only temporarily closed No issues Yes Hiking,Hunting   None   Other (please describe): Voice Command/No leash. Dogs don't get enough exercise confined to a leash. Many people hike the moraine to give themselves and their dogs exercise. I have been up there many times with oncoming stranger dogs and my own dogs.   Suggestions: None of the above. Any of those options may just be asking for more traffic and thus not as peaceful and clean Weddings     Support Neutral Neutral Neutral   No.  
145 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner,Other (please explain): setting an example for good land mgn. Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: increased use resulting in multiple trails and alot of cars parked at turner...some overgrazing and increase in weeds not with cultural resources. i do not see any plants that would have been collected or such wildlife may be temporarly displaced due to increase use but I think each will settle into their own niche. Folks should be aware that bear and cougar also use this area... no, as long as forestry with statainability in mind. And clean up of some slash is done in a respectful way....meaning leave small piles for rodents, chip piles and if burned then return and grass seed area to prevent weeds and ugly scars again, not if it is done properly. It should help with fire prevention and soul enrichment but old wire should be packed out and animals kept out of wet areas, esp. in spring Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Skiing   none..other users and their dogs have been respectful and dogs in control. just getting to be too many people so please don't overpublicize   Other (please describe): it needs to be a combo depending on owner and dog...some voice, some shock, some off leash and some on...owners know thier dog so emphasis should be on NO Harrassment of wl or stock signage informing users that disrespect of private lands may result in further restrictions.... Suggestions: no development! Weddings,Other (please describe): it is not about the event but more about numbers, place, set up and logistics set guidelines       Support   Yes, please explain: would like to see email or such to report concerns or suggestions
146 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Other, please explain: Both sides Yes, please explain: While riding up the green gate road, a gentlemen complained to me about the cow pies on the road, I asked where are you from, he replied Walla Walla, I replied, "That's how it is here." That's definitely not the type of person I want to encounter on the East Moraine. No, only if you create conflicts. Not at all. No, the forests on the East Moraine are healthy and look great because of thinning and commercial harvest. Keep it up. Unlike lots of areas in the county the East Moraine is a great example of a healthy forest. No, cows lives matter! Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Skiing   None.   Other (please describe): It is up to the owner of the pet, lets define it as personnel accountability. If the pet is high maintenance - it should be on leash or shock control. If the pet gets along with other pets, people, horses and bikes then voice command is adequate. The Land Trust has some damage control to do with private land owners. You've created the perception with photos of the East Moraine in your brochures (long before it was purchased) that the East Moraine is wide/open, i.e. fair game. This holds true for out of county folks. Suggestions: None of the above. Leave it the way it is. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks   The AlpenRace was an event that crossed the Moraine from the east to finish at the AlpenFest by the tram. It was a group of runners that pasted thru-it was not a big deal. Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: The stated objective of the Land Trust in helping purchase the East Moraine was to stop it from being developed. This has been accomplished so why are you trying to manage it. I've talked to several people on the Moraine in the last few weeks (all locals) and the general comment is, The Moraine has been purchased to halt development - all agree this is good but the next comment is "leave it alone." This survey is a great example, it costs money and there is no need for it. If problems or issues arise, deal with them then don't create issues. Also, this question has also come up while on the East Moraine. Why is this survey in the LaGrande Observer? We're sick of people from out of the county here. Leave it Alone.
147 I have read the background information. Full-time resident I view it   Other, please explain: we only view it and drive by it No.   Opportunity would be to allow it to be used in traditional ways and leave minimal visual impact on the area. Conflicts would be when different groups wish to use it simultaneously. It depends if hunting is allowed. No, unless we allow residents to harvest dead trees and they take live ones. There must be gates to allow people to get through and maps available so they know where to and where not to go. No       Parking can be a hazard if there isn't enough and cars protrude into the roadway. Parking is haphazard right no with no clear posting of how to park. If more people want to use the area, there should be more parking. Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Post signs at the property lines noting that private land is beyond and for people not to tresspass. Frequent benches/resting places,An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: Have maps and info available on line and at all gates; Weddings,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   Have events more hidden from the road/lake view; Neutral Neutral Strongly Support Strongly Support Have a vocational training school that trains people to manage such properties and charge for the training. Yes, please explain: Thank you for reaching out. I believe of course, that once you actually start doing something, people will come out of the woodwork to let you know what they think. So, I'd start to do something sooner than later, expecting oposition, and then allowing for more public input. To say they had their chance, is simply not acknowledging human nature and if you really want peoples input, start doing something, and then they'll let you know. Tabulate the input, make decisions, knowing that you may adjust those decisions when people voice their opinions later. If no one comes forward, simply proceed.
148 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Other (please explain): Assisting in developing a challenging and fun series of mtn bike trails. "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   No. I think we can develop a plan to provide optimal opportunities for recreation while respecting the culture of the Nez Perce. No. No. No. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking   I have not had any conflicts while participating in recreational activities on the east moraine. I do see however in the future possible conflict between mtn bikes and horses if good education is not provided. I don't believe in separating trails at this point, but it may be necessary in the future. I would like to be a part of that conversation as a mtn biker, but a horsey girl at heart.   Other (please describe): Off leash. People should be responsible and have good control of their dogs if they are going to be in an area where wildlife and other users are present. Please don't penalize those of us who can control their dogs off leash because others can't. My use of the east moraine will be severely impacted if my dogs are not allowed off leash. Signage, message board at trailheads. Suggestions: No! Please don't litter the landscape with this crap. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): No! Please don't allow these events on the east moraine. The goal for purchasing it was to keep it natural. None of this contributes to that. Please don't ruin the east moraine by placing benches, viewing areas, allowing weddings, holding music fests, or anything else on it. Keep it natural. Please don't try to profit off of it. Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Put in trails for multi-use recreation. Yes, please explain: The Wallowa Mtns Bicycle Club would like to be involved in the process of further developing the current recreational opportunities the east moraine provides to Wallowa County.
149 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   No No No. Cows can and do destroy trails. Trail maintenance can be an issue. Might want to limit grazing during muddy and rainy season to limit trail destruction. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Skiing   I have never experienced any issues and rarely see other users   Other (please describe): I don't own a pet. it's not the pet it is the owner. Rarely do owners have voice control over their pets. I just don't see you able to enforce leash laws. Your only option is voice control until conflict arises. Very simple signage about respecting private lands Suggestions: A few benches or natural resting places. No to everything else. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,I am not in favor of special events.     Neutral Neutral Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: I would like to see the updated management plan. I completed a survey about 3-4 years ago and listening sessions were held. Yet no communication on the community feedback has been shared out since then or how the management plan has evolved. I am tried of providing feedback and not seeing how you are addressing community concerns. It feels like you really don't care but are just going through the process of saying you allowed community feedback. Do better on public relations and outreach.
150 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I could imagine conflicts. The voices of native peoples should have priority if conflicts arise. It is their stolen land, after all. Cattle grazing impacts habitat for wild creatures does it not? And don't cattle owners feel the need to eliminate potential predators? So yes, I see a potential for conflict. No. Good forestry management is compatible with other land usage goals here. Herein lies the $64,000 question. Good luck with this one. My observation when grazing priveleges are granted on public lands is that the needs and desires of ranchers are often in stark contrast with those of other stakeholders. No       The same calculus applies here as was applied in the planning stages of the shot-through-the-heart Joseph Branch Rail with Trail project. Typically outdoor enthusiasts are respectful users of public trust resources, but in all cases careful monitoring and enforcement of regulations is needed. Monitoring could be achieved with video survelliance or by volunteer Moraine Enthusiasts. On Leash at all times   Signage, video surveillance Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Music concerts,Education camps   No. I don't possess the expertise to address this question. Support Neutral Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
151 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: Some visitors unleashed dogs attacked our horses this spring during the so called stay at home order I see no conflicts unless it gets so crowded that locals are unwilling to visit The Morrain has great wildlife habitat. We saw a newborn elk calf with its mother this morning No. It is very well managed and will keep fire danger down because of it Keep the tourists dogs on leashes, they have and will conflict with the grazing. The increased usage is already forcing the cattle off of the upper level Yes Horseback riding,Other (please describe): Moral mushroom hunting, search and rescue team training Only bad dogs. I have permission from the Yanke family to ride on the Morrain for 25 years and dogs have been the only conflict   Other (please describe): Cattle dogs working do not need leashes Signage Suggestions: Just put in parking. Leave it as is! Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Other (please describe): Trail rides Do not develop it. Keep it rustic. There's plenty of venues for events here already Support Support Neutral Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Please do not ruin the rustic, untrammeled aspect of the Morrain with development
152 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Other, please explain: Turner Lane for horseback. Near foot of lake to hike. No.   I see no conflict unless you make it so. It is perfect the way it is. It was purchase to save from developers. Leave it be. It is balanced. No. Leave it alone. Don't make something out nothing. Seems your are looking for something to change. You people make me furious. Leave the grazing alone. No need for what your suggesting. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   None   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Be respectful Suggestions: No suggestions. I am not in favor of special events.     Do Not Support Do Not Support Do Not Support Do Not Support   No.  
153 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner I view it   Other, please explain: never walked on it but I look a it every day No.   no. It has minimal use for forestry and grazing. no no. The forest up on Mt Howard do need to be managed need to graze it No       Local farmers who run their herds up there complain about the tourist, but I think that can be mediated through education and communication Other (please describe): leave the mutt at home education and communication. Local landowners always complain about the tourist, but if you work with them, keep the gates close and keep the GD dogs from chasing the cows, you'll be okay Suggestions: keep the place the way it is. Absolutely do not put roads up there I am not in favor of special events.                  
154 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   none none none Just don't overgraze.. No       Develop some trails and have people stay on them Other (please describe): Have owners clean up poop. Maintain reasonable access routes, develop interesting trails and have people stay on trails. Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: Limited trails and people and pets staying on them. I am not in favor of special events.   Keep them small and in very limited specific areas Support Support Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Keep people on limited trails and make them clean up their pet poop.
155 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: Dogs threatening cows within the community forest area at the east gate. None at this time. None at this time. None at this time.   Yes Hiking,Skiing   None to date.   On Leash at all times   Low impact signage: acknowledgment of and respect for private property rights. Suggestions: None of the above. I am not in favor of special events.   None. Neutral Strongly Support       No.  
156 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   As long as everyone is happy with the program. I trust all archeological relics will be studied and respected. Also all stakeholders are able to make their voice known. I trust that will be studied. Maybe animal corridors, and closed areas when needed. Also information and education so people know what's out there. None, just as long as it's balanced and backed by science and data. None, but it has to be responsibly managed, again with science and data ... education of these facts with stakeholders, of course ... key. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Other (please describe): Geocaching None, just being respectful of the locals, etc.   Other (please describe): Not allowed Signs and information before you come across these areas. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   I am not in favor of special events.   Not too loud, and make sure people
In the area are aware of any events. 4th of July is pretty cool.
Neutral Neutral Strongly Support Support   No.  
157 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Other, please explain: Trail across from Iwetymlaykin Yes, please explain: Climbing over the elk fence to do a thru-hike from Joseph to the Green Gate. No. Off-leash dogs could be a nuisance to wildlife and to fragile flora. Nope. Nope. I would put signage at the trailheads, letting newcomers know about this diverse working landscape. Running into a herd of cattle could be alarming for some people without notice. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Skiing   I've never had any conflicts with other users. I only have problems with the elk fence that bisects the moraine. It would be desirable to have safe gate access through this point.   On Leash at all times   Small signs asking people to respect our neighbors and do not trespass. Frequent benches/resting places   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   I would limit it to a specific area, so that universal access is maintained for everyone. Support Neutral Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
158 I have read the background information. Occasional Visitor (less than once/year) Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Family historical value. Would be a tragic loss to see it locked up and developed. "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   You have to teach people not to hunt arrowheads. That is a longtime Wallowa County activity that needs to be educated away. You have to stay on top of the weeds. Not as long as you keep the big trees, stay on top of the weeds, and use prescribed fire to manage surface fuels and promote pine regeneration. Yes. Cows bring weeds, trash riparian areas, destroy native plant communities and generally make a mess. Keep the grazing intensity at about 1/4 of the AUMs the site supposedly can support. Just enough cows for pictures and public relations and hopefully not so many they destroy the place. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Just enjoying the view.     Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Sign the private, encourage the private landowners to be good neighbors. Most of the problems can be traced back to wealthy, out of community equity migrants with no sense of community. Just plain mean people. Need to work on them as the frequent instigators of conflict. Suggestions: Build good trails and maintain them. I am not in favor of special events.     Neutral Strongly Support Neutral Neutral      
159 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Neighboring landowner   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Optimally balanced at an individual level or case by case basis until a community history of consensus emerges Not as long as one species does not dominate the habitat Not if done with intelligence on all parties Overuse by any stakeholder will bring dissonance. The sheep herders of a century prior are an example. Yes Hiking   None   Other (please describe): Proper disposal of pet waste in all circumstances I think WLT does a good job of building sensitivity that adjoining landowners should be treated as good neighbors Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   Thanks for originating this survey. An innovative activity when many others are stalled by circumstance Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support   No.  
160 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Love the geology and the fact that it is glacial and studied all over. Also respect the Nez Perce people and how the moraines are part of their history. Old Chief Joseph was reinterred on the Terminal Moraine. Other, please explain: Up from Hwy. 82 across from Iwetemlykin Exit. Also the Green Gate and Turner Lane. Yes, please explain: Running into the huge Elk Fence and Not knowing where to go. Lose Dogs. I think with more education and better signage. Keeping it as natural as possible. No bathrooms or garbage cans. People will always “disobey.” But I do not know what is allowed. I stick to the trail that is already there and have walked from the Green Gate to Iwetemlykin. Not if we are respectful. Just need to be told when there is logging or certain sections are off limits. The most common “trash” that I have found are shot gun shells (or bullet covers...do not know my guns) and beer cans! Not if we are respectful. Yes, lose dogs. People MUST KEEP THE DOGS on leashes...but everybody knows this and they (and I understand this) want their dogs to run free. I do not have a dog. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Visual beauty Big dogs running towards me. Not enough respect for distance during the Covid crisis. Most people, however, are great. Especially if you ask them politely.       Teach us which one we cannot use. I have talked to Dr. Hamm and Lloyd having his permission. The gate signs are very clear and caring the usual way I walk. I make sure I am respectful back and shut the gate latches as requested. Suggestions: No, there are a million rocks to sit on. Maybe a discreet platform or two...but why? I am not in favor of special events.   short term use only...,for education purposes Do Not Support Do Not Support          
161 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Other, please explain: through private land, with permission No.   opportunities for interpretive/educational signs along walking paths, but that does conflict with keeping an area more natural, with less visual clutter noxious weeds are a huge problem (knapweed, for one) not my area of expertise, but since forestry has a huge impact, there is much mitigation to be considered Yes, issues of overgrazing, weed control, not to mention cowpies Yes Hiking,Skiing             Suggestions: minimal man-made additions, including signs, benches. can't visitors sit on the ground or on the many boulders? Other (please describe): very carefully considered events, with strict rules this is a tough one.... to remain fair and consistent with the public regarding uses. Do Not Support Support Support Support   Yes, please explain: keep as "undeveloped" as possible
162 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: I haven't been on the moraine very many times (maybe 3-4). At those times I've either accessed it through private property at the head of the lake or the foot of the lake. Yes, please explain: The few times I've been on it, I have felt guilty for being there If the cultural use prevents walking by, then I would see that as a conflict. If the cultural use can lead to greater understanding and sharing of the culture, I see that as an opportunity. Not really. Not really. Not really. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): snow shoeing None       Have good signage and a some developed trails An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: Maybe the shuttle system could be a concession that would bring in revenue for management of the East Moraine Other (please describe): I'm not particularly in favor or object to any of these options. I think it depends on the impacts to the land and other uses. I think that the events should be walk-in (or run-in) only. That would probably limit the size and impacts to the land and other uses. Strongly Support Support Support Support   No.  
163 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: Walked up private driveway and went cross country No.     This is a big opportunity to preserve a unique and spectacular place for future generations of both wildlife and humans Not sure It would be ideal to control the grazing on the higher slope of the Moraine Yes Hiking   None   On Leash at all times   clear signage and rights of way are useful to all Frequent benches/resting places   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps   not really Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
164 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   My only concern is that TOO many people will use it for walking/hiking, but given how accessible it is, that may be inevitable.   Obviously, recreational users would have to be warned if logging is happening. Other than that, no. no Yes Hiking   After reading the next question, I backtracked and changed this answer. I forgot about dogs. I have indeed had the occasional unpleasant experience on the moraine -- always with dogs off leash who run up and bark and, sometimes, jump. I have been bitten -- tho not on the moraine -- and am not a fan of being jumped on by strange dogs.   Other (please describe): Pets should not be allowed to roam wherever they please and owners should pick up excrement. Signage. Frequent benches/resting places,Suggestions: NO MOTORIZED ACCESS. I am not in favor of special events.   If there MUST be special events, they should be few in number. The negative impact of large gatherings on the land will be profound and I bet, even with limiting the number of such gatherings, they will be banned after a trial period. But why bother with a trial? Acknowledge that 100 people -- or 50 -- at a wedding will trash the landscape and don't allow them. Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
165 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: Sometimes the cattle have really mucked things up, and sometimes folks' dogs are loose and chasing wildlife. There's a lot of community interest in supporting Nimiipuu people in reconnecting with their homeland, but there is not a lot of community knowledge about important plants and other cultural resources. I foresee potential accidental harm to culturally significant plants from any of these other human uses, maybe particularly from forestry and grazing, if our community doesn't commit to becoming more educated. Surveys and regular monitoring of culturally important plants and plant populations would help avoid harm and also, potentially, help our community to become more educated in a way that supports many interconnections and reconnections. Loose dogs are a huge problem for wildlife and also contribute to weed problems. Dogs really really need to be on leash. The forested acreage is pretty small and logging will be careful and selective, I hope and imagine; making sure to manage timber harvest explicitly with wildlife in mind (leaving snags and downed logs, committing to a diversity of age / structure / species, being mindful of timing re: wildlife disturbance and soil compaction, etc) will help this activity be more benign. Local studies on Zumwalt have shown that many native pollinators are negatively impacted by grazing, so I wonder whether excluding some parts of the property from grazing might be possible. Of course no one likes to recreate near an active logging unit. I also imagine the noise might impact recreation at the head of the lake. Again, I hope all forest management will be done with wildlife and natural and cultural values explicitly in mind. We're not talking about a ton of acres of forest, so I hope and imagine that the logging that does happen will be carefully thought through. I wonder whether there's an opportunity here for "value-added" timber, wood products that are certified somehow and stay in the local community--for example could trees bring in more money if they were carefully chosen and Jim Zacharias milled them and the wood stayed here for local construction? I don't know, but I put it out there because I think that forestry on the moraine is an important opportunity for creative thinking regarding both markets and responsible, community-centered management models that help build trust for other community forest possibilities. Folks will be paying attention to what happens here. Cattle do tend to camp out in the places they like and beat them up, especially in flat shady places and near water. That's impactful for wildlife (especially pollinators) and plants, and for recreation, too. As with my comment on the logging, I think careful management of cattle on this landscape, including the improvements in infrastructure and practice you mention above, can produce important models for future community-managed landscapes. Yes Hiking,Skiing,Other (please describe): wildlife / bird watching Honestly other recreational users' off-leash dogs are the main source of tension for me. Also sometimes the cattle impacts are annoying, when they are concentrated in one place.   On Leash at all times   Good signage, including property boundary signs and maps. Frequent benches/resting places,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   I am not in favor of special events.   It's unclear to me how you'd have most of these events you've just named without a lot of motorized access and severe impacts to plants and wildlife from trampling, litter, noise, etc. I do think the moraine is a good site for educational outings but I am not sure what a "camp" up there would entail. My understanding is that a big part of the reason this campaign was successful is that people in the community want the moraine to stay essentially as it is: an undeveloped and fairly natural retreat, accessible to the community for quiet recreation, with a thoughtfully managed working lands component. I.e. definitely not to turn it into another head-of-the-lake entertainment attraction. Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support As I mentioned in other comments, I'm curious about value added forestry projects. I imagine a "friends of the moraine" cohort could be developed, too. Yes, please explain: Good luck, you guys. I'm rooting for you that you come up with a mangement plan that is respectful of all these uses and the public's input. Thanks for taking it on.
166 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): we have a cabin on the west moraine, so we see it from that standpoint, but we live full time in Enterprise "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I am sure conflicts will arise, and they will have to be negotiated. I think the public is clear that part of preserving the land is to let the wildlife enjoy this habitat. could that bother hikers/snowshoers? not sure
One hopes that people understand that the East Moraine's timber will need to be managed, and that may result in occasional closing to the public. There is increasing pressure on agriculture and cows, specifically, with regards to climate change. this could be a potential conflict. going back to grazing livestock as part of the culture of the county, but making sure it doesn't take over all other priorities, seems like it could help balance conflicting arguments. Yes Hiking   none   Other (please describe): I haven't encountered any issues so far with dogs clear signage Suggestions: I think it is a beautiful spot in its completely natural setting. I would hate to see any of the above, personally. I am not in favor of special events.   Events could be a runaway train in my view, and create far more areas of conflict. My understanding is the E Moraine should be kept in its natural state as much as possible. Strongly Support Support   Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: stay true to your objectives and values, which were clearly stated throughout this. Don't cave to pressure
167 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: Parking lot across from access gate to Iwetemlaykin No.   Conflict: overuse that impacts wildlife; close access at sensitive times? Opp: educating users about healthy forests Yes Hiking     On Leash at all times   Clearly signed Frequent benches/resting places   I am not in favor of special events.   I'm not in favor of events Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
168 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   No No Opportunities for good management, and for public education on what good management is, especially on public land without all the restrictions that impede good management. See conflicts between grazing and people who don't like to see cow shit (but who like to have a good steak). Fortunately the mission statement is clear that grazing is part of the management. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Skiing   None   Voice command   Signage and locked gates Suggestions: Keep it primitive I am not in favor of special events.   Don't have them Neutral Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Keep it low key and undeveloped Yes, please explain: Keep in mind that if wildlife habitat is important, not promoting this place will be very important. People and wildlife do not mix well.
169 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Other, please explain: "Informal" access via private property across from Iwetemlaykin Yes, please explain: Invasive weeds in some areas Opportunities: respectful, informed education about indigenous people who inhabited and used area; about area's cultural resources; about natural resources; and about "sustainable" forestry practices. Conflicts: destruction and/or disrespect of cultural, spiritual and natural resources due to inappropriately managed recreational and forestry activities; diminution of recreational experience due to conflicts among different recreational-type users and with forestry activities. Opportunities: education about human impacts to wildlife due to various types of uses and their timing; education about monitoring efforts to inform appropriate management to limit impacts; habitat restoration and improvements as possible and appropriate. Conflicts: impacts to wildlife and their habitats due to inappropriately managed and enforced user activities. Opportunities: if done correctly, may serve as an example of enlightened multiple-use. Conflicts: obvious ones such as lost access die to different incompatible uses, noise and visual/aesthetic impacts. Opportunities: if conceived of and managed appropriately, could serve as educational example of enlightened sustainable grazing practices; could help control fuels for wildfire prevention. Conflicts: if not properly managed, risk of habitat degradation, erosion, invasive weed dissemination. Loss of or limitations to access. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   Nothing of significance.   Other (please describe): Hard to enforce with untrained dogs/owners. Good signage. Recreational pass that could be rescinded for violations. An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: Suggest checking out how Valles Caldera was managed for multiple use before NPS took over the management (https://www.nps.gov/vall/learn/management/annual-reports.htm) I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): It all comes down to impacts on the resources and recreational users. Hard to imagine exactly how this could be management equitably with minimal impacts to wildlife, habitat, and recreational users. Very small-scale activities that will have very limited impacts on other users, habitat and wildlife. Building and managing a "pavilion" for special uses in area along edge with adequate access and parking -- but hard to envision how this could work without unacceptable impacts.   Strongly Support Support   Recreation Pass (could be subsidized for some) Yes, please explain: Thank you and congratulations!
170 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Over use by tourists. Dogs. Unleashed dogs. Overuse. Opportunity for education perhaps through a kiosk. Again overuse and domestic animals. Yes Hiking   None   On Leash at all times   Education. Kiosks Wallowa county literature. Suggestions: None of the above. Let's not encourage overuse. I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
171 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner,I view it   Other, please explain: Wallowa Lake Hwy near Joseph Yes, please explain: New no trespassing sign The west slope of the east moraine was over grazed in the past and has still not recovered. Cows on these steep slopes is no conducive to maintaining native habitat. There are already too many deer Opportunity for some logging roads that have been abandoned and are causing erosion to be rehabilitated. Grazing should not be allowed on the steepest slopes at the north end. Yes Trail running   none       Clearly identify where public access is allowed. Suggestions: keep the access primitive at least until traffic is shown to cause erosion. Weddings,Rodeos,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   Make improvements to the limited areas (south end only) where the events will be held. Neutral Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Work harder with sympathetic land owners like the Coxes and drop negotiations with antagonistic ones like Lewises. Have a volunteer group work on trail coming up from Wallowa Lake Hwy. It is the best access especially with a better trail. This is one area where talking to the Coxes would be a great idea.
172 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): education Other, please explain: both Yes, please explain: Dog poo left on trail/roads Yes, opportunity to give an example of preserving (rediscovering) cultural resources and continue to use the site for recreation/grazing/timber mgmt Overuse of all trails by recreation users, mostly in summer by influx of tourists, will push out wildlife. Consider limiting the number of trails maintained to mitigate that, as most people only stay on maintained trails Opportunity to provide a stellar example of forest management, with well planned harvest that acts to improve habitat, retain a good percentage of larger trees and also gain economic benefits Another opportunity to set a good example. Potential conflict for improving condition of water sources if there is not active management of cattle (and movement) from leased operator Yes Hiking,Trail running,Horseback riding,Skiing   I have seen Mountain bikers ripping down the green gate trail, and see potential for accidents. Other than that, none.   Other (please describe): This is complicated and I don't think it's just one thing here. A combination of off leash during certain times/seasons and certain trails, and outside of that shock collar or leash is required. Signs encouraging respect, and a number to call if violation Suggestions: Not in favor in anything motorized or over doing this with structures. There are many great examples out there that balance access for all, and retaining the environment. Provide at least one access road that wide enough, with appropriate surface for wheel chairs, that gets users with disabilities to the top or view point. Anything outside of that is unstainable and promotes overuse of the property shuttles, vehicles, maintenance, etc. Education camps   This is the toughest question on this form. This can easily get out of control, and is tough to balance. If you allow permitted weddings, businesses will secure all of those before local families can. If you allow any events or weddings, there will be a wedding up there everyday from late June to September.

I'm in favor of a few weddings (however that could be done), a trail run or two, and education camps that partner with local organizations.
Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
173 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Over grazing could destroy the ecosystem. Over logging would be an issue. Too many people on the moraine at any time, could be an issue. Dogs running loose killing wildlife would be an issue. Allowing dogs to run free would cause a problem. People feeding animals would be a huge problem. Overlogging. Just needs to be managed properly. Need to continue to allow trail access even if through grazing areas. Be careful not to allow overgrazing. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): Photography Outing None   On Leash at all times   Make sure non-access points are clearly marked. The landowners could put up 'no trespassing' signs. Provide maps that clearly point out access sites. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.   No Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Do Not Support   No.  
174 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   Yes if there is increased people there is always more conflict. Some activities are more disturbing to the soil and can expose sites than others. Nothing more than already happens People don't like temporary closure or change but it's best for the safety of those using the forest and the operators. It's also important to manage the forest to keep it healthy and thriving. Installing more fences would be advantageous for grazing rotation but can cause issues for recreation unless gates are installed and must be closed to respect the cattleman so that could be an issue. Water improvement would help wildlife as well. Corrals would need to be out of cultural sites. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Mountain/trail biking,Horseback riding   None   Voice command   Signage is always good to identify where private property is. Maybe maps as well for users. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Weddings,Rodeos,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps   Limit number of events and time of event. Maybe one per month or something so there isn't something happening all the time and people can enjoy it with out disrupting things. Strongly Support Strongly Support Neutral Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: I enjoy the quietness of it and being able to run or ride out there and usually not see many of any people.
175 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   Yes, please explain: trying to get through the giant fence on top of the moraine no yes. people and wildlife don't mix very well. there is ample research showing that wildlife move away from hikers, bikers, motorized vehicles, etc. I think this is something that needs to be acknowledged and managed. possibly. forestry could obviously will affect both recreation and wildlife suitability, depending on how forestry activities are implemented and will need to be considered. there are obvious potential conflicts. people often scare cows and can result in them moving around excessively, losing track of calves, etc. If cattle concentrate in an area, it can create negative consequences for recreationalists and for wildlife, and also may affect other conservation values (native plant communities, etc.). Cattle management will need to be managed with consideration to other values. Managing cattle in a rotational fashion to avoid long-term use of an area may be a good strategy; deferred (non-growing season) grazing is another way to reduce negative impacts of livestock on other values. Yes Hiking,Skiing   None   Other (please describe): dogs need to be under control at all times. there are lots of good dogs out there that do well when off leash but sadly there are many dog owners that just wing it and their animals are out of control. this is a tricky one for sure as dogs may harass recreational users and wildlife. how to enforce rules to keep animals under control is difficult but some way must be found to avoid dogs becoming a nuisance. One new, very disturbing trend is dog owners leaving plastic bags of poop on trails. WTF? make it clear where private land boundaries are and what limitations there are (e.g. need to stay on trail) on these areas. Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): Keep it simple, quiet, undeveloped enough with the events for godsakes Strongly Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support reasonable day use fee / season pass No.  
176 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Where land management is for multiple use there is always the potential for conflict. Community involvement, education, communications, and an intelligible management plan can help mitigate potential conflict. Previous answer also applies to this question. Previous answer also applies to this question. Previous answer also applies to this question. Yes Hiking   I've been lucky and have not experienced conflicts. However I live 3 miles from the Hurricane Creek trailhead now and I don't recreate a lot on the moraine, but I sure love the option to do so. And I often send friends who are newcomers to the Wallowa's there.   On Leash at all times   Signage and education. Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: Infrequent benches and resting places. Having a shuttle as an option would be nice. I am not in favor of special events.   Small group education outings are the only thing I support. Strongly Support Strongly Support     I do not support special uses. No.  
177 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Preservation of the natural setting. Who gets access, for what purpose, under what conditions and by what mode of transportation do they come to to the property. No motorized vehicles. People come in on foot. Horses and mules are only allowed in certain sections of the property. Recreational use can be a conflict with all the other types of uses mentioned above. I don't think there should be motorized vehicles allowed on the property. Horses should be at a minimum unless used for moving livestock around. Problems with people who think "Never cut a tree" vs managing sustainably for forest health. Have people knowledgable about forest health, sustainability, growth etc. involved with the process. Recreation. People coming on the property who have no understanding and aren't educated about livestock and livestock practices. Dogs at large. Children at large. Adults at large etc. disrupting livestock. Yes Hiking   People with dogs at large and not on a leash.   On Leash at all times   Private property should be posted with sturdy signs for No trespassing, No hunting, etc. There should be signs at the entrances to the property telling people they should not go onto private property. Suggestions: Not in favor of any of these Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Education camps,Other (please describe): Maybe education day camps, but not overnight camping; adding buildings, tents etc. etc. Maybe a closely supervised walk or run. No motorized vehicles. Not in favor of events less maybe a run or hike or a day camp. No overnight camping, cooking etc. Support Neutral Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support maybe an annual youth day camp. No.  
178 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   Potentially with grazing and culturally significant plants. Not sure which those are or if cattle graze them. Is there a grazing management plan? dogs not under voice control. I hope there isn't a leash law because some of us have well trained dogs that stay with us. Recreational users and thinning. Have signs and notices in advance of the project. Have alternate areas available..eg not all units thinned at once. Recreation and cattle is never an easy thing to balance. Bulls are scary. It would help to move cows often and have some areas free of them all the time if possible though I don't think that is the idea because no pasture fences. Make it known when cows are turned out and taken off. Yes Hiking,Trail running,Skiing   none.   Voice command   It has been a common thing for a long time for users to cross through the elk fence off the property. It was never signed before. It is going to take some education to get people used to this. Is it possible to build a trail below that private that climbs back up to intersect the easement? Suggestions: oh God no. Leave undeveloped like it is. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): please leave quiet and undisturbed. That is why we go there. We can go to Housewife Beach if we want crowds, music and chaos. please do not allow. These events can be held on national forest and state park lands. There is no need for them here. Support Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: I can't say strongly enough that we cherish the moraine for its remote feeling, the quiet, a quick way to get away from it all. I realize you need funding but don't do it at the expense of the special experience we have there. A couple suggestions, keep the cow paths, they are great for dispersing use and for those who want to get off the beaten path. No need to maintain roads or trails unless there is unacceptable erosion. Develop indicators and thresholds that will show if you are getting to defined lines in the sand. Develop desired conditions and compare them to existing conditions.
179 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   If managed correctly, there should be no conflicts. I see no conflicts. Restoration and ecological protection are great opportunities. Grazing should be intensely managed to protect the grasslands. Yes Hiking   Once a trail biker from Portland complained about the protective measures. He was wrong and did not appreciate the Moraine's uniqueness.       Users should recognize the boundaries. Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Weddings,Education camps,Other (please describe): Nature field trips You are doing an excellent job! Support Strongly Support Neutral Do Not Support   No.  
180 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): I am a conservation professional and have vested interest in the successful ecological and economic outcomes demonstrated by sound working lands management. "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   There is opportunity to synthesize traditional ecological knowledge with standard management practices and western science. This synthesis could be manifest in grazing, timber and ecological management plans and actions, as well through the interpretive materials and outreach efforts associated with the moraine. If traditional ecological knowledge and western science guide the management, then this multiple use framework will be fully capable of supporting high quality habitat. Restoration thinning and logging to create and maintain a spatial diverse structure of individuals, groups and openings among the canopy, constituted of a variety of age classes of trees will provide great opportunity for revenue, wildlife habitat and public education on the positive role humans can plan in perpetuating healthy forest. The forest on the moraine is a fire maintained system, and logging alone will not be sufficient to maintain the health of that system and safety of the community. Good fire, applied through controlled burns or managed wildfire, will be necessary to the long-term management of the woods. The use of fire should be accompanied with an educational effort to inform the public that not all fire is bad, in fact it is necessary for our local forests to be healthy, and can be managed safely for the sake of nature and protecting our communities. Grazing at moderate intensities, managed through an adaptive feedback loop with a monitoring protocol, is compatible with the ecological health of the moraine's grasslands. This will provide a good opportunity for conversation about healthy public land grazing. Yes Trail running,Skiing   none   Voice command   Positive explanation of the scenario and user responsibility on sign at trailheads, and ample signage at boundary fences An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Fundraisers,Education camps   none Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: With likely increase in trail use, it may become necessary to designate "no bike" trails to avoid conflict with equestrian and foot users.
181 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: We have never been on the moraine. No.   Maintaining the habitat and cultural resources could be in conflict with the grazing and recreation, and forestry. The moraine should be lightly used so that habitat and cultural heritage are the top priorities. See above See above See above No         Other (please describe): No dogs allowed. As a dog owner, I believe it is okay for dogs to not be allowed into certain habitats. They have too large of an impact. It certainly is not too much to ask. At the very minimum on leash, on trails at all times. Signs...with signs at the major entry points providing more explanation. Suggestions: No motorized (electric or otherwise) access. Benches and viewing sites/platforms seem unnecessary for viewing. I am not in favor of special events.   No events. Can't believe rodeos, music events and weddings are even on the table. These events would all be very destructive to the preserve. Strongly Support   Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Support special fundraising events not held on the moraine. No.  
182 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   educational opportunities if elk are present, they will graze the grasses that would be available to cattle, and any timber harvest should be in the winter, when the ground is frozen and snow is present see last comment it would be great to move the cattle around with water and salting practices, grazing rotation based on forage availability Yes Hiking   none   On Leash at all times   signage and fencing Frequent benches/resting places   I am not in favor of special events.   no, there are no facilities up there Strongly Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Do Not Support   No.  
183 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Neighboring landowner,I view it   Other, please explain: I stay off of it to conserve it in it's natural state. Yes, please explain: Tourists are trashing it by letting dogs run loose and littering and trespassing on private property. dogs, littering, trespassing on private property, digging for Indian artifacts ,not staying on the trail. ya think! stay the hell off of it and leave the plants and animals alone. see last comment. tourists and city people don't like cow manure.There cute little mutts will roll in it when they are running free. No       Stay off of it! Conserve it in it's natural state. Other (please describe): no dogs allowed! City people do not know how to respect anything! Suggestions: NO! I am not in favor of special events.   Stay the hell off of it ! In a few years it will be trashed just like the parks in Portland. Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Why do you feel it necessary to trash it? Shut it down!
184 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Other (please explain): no development Other, please explain: I don't No.   Not my area of expertise Again, not my area of expertise See previous answers unknown No                                      
185 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Please don't allow logging or motorized vehicles Keep it for hiking with minimal grazing rights Selective cutting...ugh. Please keep it to a minimum Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   None so far   On Leash at all times   No Suggestions: My goodness. Leave it alone I am not in favor of special events.   I did not donate to have this area ruined by increased activities like weddings and rodeos Neutral Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Stop with all this development Yes, please explain: I'm very dismayed about the possibility of motorized vehicles, events, logging. Yikes
186 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: Dogs not on leashes. Recreational users should be on foot or on horse/mule.Preserving the natural flora is imperative. The moraine should not be used as an event venue in order to limit the number of people on it at one time.Dogs/ domestic pets should be on leashes and excrement picked up to keep diseases in check. Again pets must be on leashes. Bicycles and ATVs have not place on the Moraine. Selective forest management is necessary for the health of the forest. Again loose pets, bicycles, and ATVs will create conflicts. Yes Hiking,Horseback riding   Loose dogs!! Mountain biker scaring cattle.   On Leash at all times   Appropriate signage at all entry points to the moraine. Fines if violated. Frequent benches/resting places   I am not in favor of special events.   There is no way. Don't make the moraine another tourist attraction. Money can never replace the moraine as we know it. Strongly Support Support   Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: Am beginning to be sorry I supported the plan for giving it to the county to manage.
187 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): protection of natural history Other, please explain: path across road from Old Chief Joseph Memorial No.   Opportunity: maintaining as natural a state as possible.
Conflicts: dogs running loose, harassing and killing wildlife (I am trending towards no dogs being allowed).
Over use which would bother wildlife. Dogs being off leash, harassing and killing wildlife. Selective logging should be okay. As a long time friend of Leo Goebel and Bob Jackson, I was informed that this is possible in a way to minimize damage to the forest and to extract merchantable logs. Everything in moderation as the saying goes. Grazing should continue but have parameters.
NO motorized recreational vehicles should ever be allowed on the moraine.
Yes Hiking   None so far. Probably too early to tell. I will admit that if I see dogs running loose, I will be very dismayed. It seems that dog owners get too much deference. Iwetemlaykin as an example has a continuing problem of dogs running loose; many walking through the heritage site seem to think it is a big dog running site.   On Leash at all times   Respect respect respect. Close gates. Do not litter. Do not let dogs run free. Basic considerations. Suggestions: I would worry that any of the above, no matter how small and seemingly unobtrusive, will be the nose of the camel under the side of the tent. My bias is towards no "improvements" of any nature and no motorized access of any nature. I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): None! Just because something was done in the past does not mean it should be done now. A lot of dumb things have been done in the past. Let's preserve the area in as natural condition as possible (and I am flexible re selective logging and grazing as previously indicated). IHMO it is not possible. Terrible precedence will occur if any "events" are held, and proposals to expand events will be inevitable. Support Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
188 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Preserving/conserving cultural resources should take precedence over all other activities. Habitat should rank higher than recreation, forestry and grazing. Selective thinning and commercial harvest should be performed as a management tool in an effort to return the area to a habitat characteristic of it's original condition (as close as possible). Grazing ok but should be ranked lower in priority than wildlife/habitat management. Yes Hiking,Mountain/trail biking,Hunting,Skiing   No conflicts   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Promote personal responsibility perhaps by signage at access points with enforcement if necessary. Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support Strongly Support Support Do Not Support   No.  
189 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: It has been logged much too closely and historic grazing abuse is highly visible. You can't grow and foster culturally significant plant resources and graze them off with livestock or log them with timbering at the sa me time.
Those wildlife requiring large old trees and stands will have to hold their breath for many decades.
Selective thinning from below that also creates and enhances decadence in live and dead trees may restore habitat for pileated and white-headed woodpeckers, flammulated and boreal owls.
Grazing practices that restores browse for native wild ungulates may restore habitat for bighorn sheep, elk and bison. No       Motorized use and early season by hang-gliders and parafoils can compromise habitat for many kinds of wildlife, eagles, goshawks and peregrines. Other (please describe): I'd like to see habitat security for spruce grouse, blue grouse and mountain quail. Seek voluntary rights of ingress and egress. Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.     Support Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support      
190 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   If there are artifacts on the property I could see that as a potential for theft or damage. In terms of protecting culturally significant plants and animals you would want to make sure that hikers stay on trails and that any vehicle access for management is done is a responsible way to limit disturbance. Having a good trail system with signs and maps would be a good step to keep recreation separate from any working lands activities such as grazing and forestry. Depending on the grazing plan for the property, there could be conflict with livestock and wildlife for forage in the winter. I would suggest developing a wildlife friendly grazing plan that promotes adequate rotation and includes stubble height monitoring to make sure native grasses aren't getting grazed too heavily. Selective thinning is a good management practice and can benefit both the forest and the economy. Commercial harvests are another matter which could get more contentious depending on the scale and location of the project. I think any commercial activity could jeopardize some of the conservation values of the initial effort to protect the moraine as wildlife habitat and any commercial activity would have to be approved by all partners. Grazing has to be managed and monitored closely to make sure it's not damaging wildlife habitat or interfering with recreation. Develop grazing plans and seasonal rules to help wildlife. Yes Hiking   None personally.   On Leash at all times   Signing points of entry and asking visitors to be mindful of neighboring properties. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups),Suggestions: Interpretive signs along hiking routes that display information about the history, geology, ecology, wildlife etc. Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Fundraisers,Education camps,Other (please describe): Guided public hikes/tours Shuttle service from Joseph to trailhead/parking area to alleviate traffic. Offering more smaller events like a guided hike by an expert on a topic to get more people out for different activities. Neutral Support Neutral Neutral   No.  
191 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Neighboring landowner,I view it   Other, please explain: I don't Yes, please explain: Trash left Yes. Maintain ing the habitat and natural beauty is at risk by increasing access and increasing the types of use. When I donated money to the land trust it was under the expectation that it would not be developed, not expanded for new use, not turned into a public venue, but left in it's natural state with limited grazing, and limited use. Yes. The more people that use it, and the more varied use, the more it will damage native plants, animals and erode the soil and landscape Selective thinning will keep the forest healthy and reduce fire risk, and provide some limited maintenance income. Commercial cutting has the potential for scaring the land and damaging the entire ecosystem. Puts profit over the whole goal of buying the land. Grazing is appropriate and can be managed consistent with the goals of the purchase. It needs to be monitored. No       Limited hiking is fine, but it needs to be ,limited. Absolutely no motorized vehicles. Many people, unfortunately, are careless when on public property and leave their trash around, create fire hazards and do not respect the land, Other (please describe): Must pick up their poop Therein lies the problem with people, sadly. They do not always respect the rights of other owners. Charge a huge deposit fee and limit use, so if damage is done, they pay for it.. Frequent benches/resting places,Suggestions: NO ELECTRIC OR MOTORIZED VEHICLE'S I am not in favor of special events.   The whole idea was preservation of the beauty. I would never have donated money had I known there was any thought of opening it up to weddings, concerts, sporting events or other such uses. I am very upset by this. I feel I was lied to and mislead when I donated my money. Strongly Support Support Neutral Strongly Do Not Support Use volunteers No.  
192 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   Turner Lane on the back, east side of the moraine   No.   Yes. As you say the natural landscape is part of Nez Perce culture. Right now, the tribe has little access or voice in land in the County that they don't outright own fee title to. I foresee local opposition to a greater presence of the tribe on the East Moraine. They are likely to want to conduct ceremonies and gather plants on the moraine, which I fully support. Not sure how much support by others there is. But the land in public hands provides an opportunity to allow them access in ways that are meaningful to them. The tribe would be a better spokesperson than me to say how the competing needs could be balanced. DOGS! Off leash, they can be challenging for foxes and deer. Maybe keep one part of the moraine for dogs and keep another part off limits to them. Selective thinning would be a good thing and if done conservatively and with scientists providing advice, I think it will be fine. Is there a reason to include yet another use - this use - of the moraine? I'm beginning to feel like there isn't room for every use on the moraine. How important is grazing to the biology? To the politics of the county? Yes Hiking   None yet   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Signage that explains the problem of not respecting those rights. Organizing volunteer hikers to know the boundaries and report on trespassers. Some sort of program to contact locals who ignore the boundaries. Suggestions: INfrequent benches. Please keep it as natural as possible Weddings,Education camps,Other (please describe): SMALL weddings Restrict the area in which events can be held. Infrequent - limit the number of events each year, using the advice of scientists on what the landscape can hold. Strongly Support Neutral Strongly Support Neutral   Yes, please explain: THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXTRAORDINARY WORK!!!
193 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,I view it   Other, please explain: I have never walked on the moraine No.   As long as nothing is built on the moraine, and there is no clear cutting of the forested part, then I'll be happy. no comment Selective thinning would be ok. Commercial harvesting would not. I have never seen evidence of grazing on the moraine. I would not like to see fences or corrals, not even temporary ones. No       I only recently learned that there is trail on the moraine. I want to hike on that trail. I don't want to hike through a cattle ranch or past corrals etc. On Leash at all times   Small signs saying Private Property-No Trespasing would be appropriate. Suggestions: none of the above! Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks   Rodeos are out of the question. There is already an excellent arena for rodeos in Joseph. If special events like weddings are allowed, no trace of the event should be left on the moraine (just like when camping - Leave no trace.) Strongly Support Neutral Neutral Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
194 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use   Other, please explain: From the Trail that is on Private property on the North end. Yes, please explain: Negotiating Barbed Wire fencing that seperated Private Property from Public. Dogs chasing Deer and Foxes, Moutain Bikes on trail. Dogs must be on leashes, No Bikes. Where ever humans go, conflict with wildlife and habitate will be present.
It's !"Human Nature" unfortunstly.
Selling off Timber No! Cattle No! Find another way to fund expenses. No Grazing Yes Hiking   Smoking, Dogs not leashed, Mountain Bikes on trail.   On Leash at all times   Touh rist and some local users don't give darn about property owners rights. Dr. Ham is clise to shuting his portion down. Frequent benches/resting places   I am not in favor of special events.,Other (please describe): Hiking only, because I am selfish. No! Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support      
195 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Other (please explain): Daughter supports endeavors "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: I see invasive weeds I agree with keeping the East Moraine in a natural state. History must be preserve. It should not be developed in any way other than preservation and historic purposes Limited hunting should be allowed to maintain a balance between species. Should be maintained to clear excess deadfall to avoid propigation of forest fires Leave it natural. Grazing may be good for preservation of fertile pasture, but in no way should it be allow to be overgrazed such that it may become detrimental to the landscape Yes Hiking,Mountain/trail biking   I have never experience a detriment to recreational use other than occasional. trash.   Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   A private land owner should be able to protect their property. Frequent benches/resting places,An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks   I think it is great that you were able to acquire the East Moraine. Expansion and further preservation should be encouraged Support   Support Do Not Support   No.  
196 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Other (please explain): Keep it wild and free     No.   Keep it respectful..honor it by allowing it to remain a sacred treasure yes..conflict over grazers and all wildlife should not be logged .. how do we balance beauty..culture and keep out greed Yes Hiking       On Leash at all times   public access should respect..the morain and wildlife , water and old growth forests, private lands included. Suggestions: Leave it wild and free I am not in favor of special events.   None of it Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
197 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Other (please explain): It's careful maintenance which includes all living creatures. Other, please explain: Across from Old Chief Joseph grave/monument. No.   Opportunitists who could undermine the true meaning of cultural resources. Over time how will we handle the overpopulation of plants and animals on the Moraine? Should this forestry be eliminated by a forest fire, who is the responsible party for regrowing te fire devastated acres? Unfamiliar with the livestock grazing on the E.Moraine. Yes Hiking,Other (please describe): snow shoeing None   Other (please describe): Pick up any poop and on leash at all times. Stewarts to be able to help monitor regularly and report back on any destruction/irreverence of the land. Suggestions: Keep as is-untouched. There are rocks for resting and views from wherever one stands. Other (please describe): Tribal ceremonies only. Unless tribal events where the land is regarded as sacred, no events.   Strongly Support       No.  
198 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Recreation Use,I view it,Other (please explain): Geology Other, please explain: from NE Yes, please explain: cow shit   Cows destroying native habitat Should we "balance" the Mona Lisa by selling 50% of it as canvas?
Shall we "balance" the Lakes Basin by putting in very limited number of commercial properties? Yes Hiking,Skiing,Other (please describe): Worship Green gate road completely covered with cow shit   Other (please describe): no barking, biting, chasing, or humping charge $5/person Suggestions: absolutely no motorized use, including ebikes. (and I'm 72) I am not in favor of special events.   The east moraine is not a gym, a playground, a Disneyland, a sound stage, a lecture hall. Let It Be. Strongly Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support Let It Be Yes, please explain: Let It Be
199 I have read the background information. Part-time resident/homeowner Recreation Use,Neighboring landowner,I view it   Other, please explain: From north end, East side Yes, please explain: Access to community forest is blocked by new fence when coming from north Signage interpreting the prehistoric and traditional land uses would be of interest. Known sites if any should be marked and interpreted unless they are shrines Obviously hunting and recreation do not mix Signage on historic species composition and whether that is changing and why would be of interest Access arrangements for stock growers should be public Yes Hiking   None   On Leash at all times   I would hope that signage would be sufficient Suggestions: I don't like any of these. Keep it as wild and undeveloped as possible! Don't make Wallowa County another theme park I am not in favor of special events.   Don't have them Support Neutral Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
200 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,I view it   "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   I do not know what cultural resources are there. People have to show respect for sites. I do not know if the public should know where they are because some people might destroy them. Every aspect impacts the other. So there would need to be monitoring of grazing in relationship to having enough food for the deer. So appreciated the field trip off Turner Road where we learned about forestry and grazing. I understood more fully how important professional people are in making intelligent decisions that affect the environment over the long term. As was explained in the field trip, grazing requires many considerations to be done right. The infrastructure would need to be in place before grazing could be done with out damaging the land. Yes Hiking           Signage about having your dog on a leash. Frequent benches/resting places   Other (please describe): All could be acceptable in a limited manner with strick land use agreements. Designate certain areas for specific events. Limit the use to what the land can handle. Support Strongly Support Support Strongly Do Not Support   Yes, please explain: THANK YOU for all your work in keeping this land a treasure and yet accessable.
201 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) Other (please explain): Spiritual strength Other, please explain: Crossed somebody's fence right out of Joseph. No.   Once it is opened to the public there will be less of a chance I could be alone with the spirits. This is a dilemma but perhaps a time could be set aside for us to worship in our way. Cutting timber is bound to reduce the amount of habitat for any tree dwelling species and cover for those who need and use it. Logging is generally a bad idea and has already damaged most of North America for the above reasons as well as depositing silt over gravel beds needed for spawning salmon and other fish. Denuding a landscape is ecoterrorism at its worst. So this is the only resource that can contribute cash to the community? Killing trees? Why don't you sell them individually to people who want to save them and we can put a plaque or something like buying bricks in a courtyard? As long as the cows do not harass me a few are fine but if they eat all the plant-stalks before we can easily identify them for our use as food or medicine? If the cattle eat all the forage what will the deer eat? Yes Hiking,Horseback riding,Other (please describe): Bird watching, plant identification, study of geologic phenomena     On Leash at all times   Have a work party repair the fences bordering the 2party's properties Suggestions: Accessibility at either end could extend to the first viewpoint, after that yer on your own power as it were. I am not in favor of special events.   Very small groups that stay on the trail would have the least impact. Be aware of the ground you trample. Support Neutral Do Not Support Do Not Support Allow for religious use as was the tradition there for thousands of years. Yes, please explain: Is a draft plan due on any certain date?
202 I have read the background information. Full-time resident I view it,Other (please explain): Maintain its natural beauty with perhaps walking paths. "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   No.   Cattle grazing could impact all unique features of the East Moraine. Overuse by humans could affect wildlife species. Some areas need to be off limits to commercial logging operation due to degradation of the land. Yes, further degradation of the land. See previous comments. Grazing should be severely limited. Grazing should be limited in this fragile ecosystem. Yes Hiking   None   On Leash at all times   Signage on private lands prohibiting access. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.     Strongly Support         Yes, please explain: Tread lightly. Once is gone, it's gone forever. The East Moraine should be kept in pristine condition.
203 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) I view it,Other (please explain): Past forest service and Hurricane Creek Llamas employee. I have always had a heart for this region. Other, please explain: I haven't accessed. No.   Respecting the needs of each as first priority. I don't believe that a sacred site, for instance, is something the public must have direct access to. If there is a particular artifact that needs to be left in place then the public could be educated regarding its existence but not given direct access to that site which I would hope could be protected from contact in some fashion. If the public is allowed access to hike the area then traffic could become such that wildlife would not continue to use it for grazing. So having a plan to manage access count if wildlife use declined below an acceptable level.
Some folks believe a tree should never be harvested and i would disagree. It is a necessity for the health of the forest and the ecosystem. The economic gain could be invested back into the entire East Moraine property. The conflict I would imagine as people protesting active forest management. Just the usual. If the public is traversing any of this ground and could possibly cause problems by opening gates or otherwise interfering with livestock management then there could be some unhappy users with different vested interests. No       Increasing population resulting in over use. I don't have a great solution other than maybe limiting the "open to the public" calendar during heaviest time of year. Or if someone is up for the level of management it would require possibly "gating" access year round so it is only available for an extended weekend (Fri-Mon) and shut to public during the week (T-Th). I know that sounds crazy but just thinking outside the box. I really don't know much about the area currently. Off leash during certain times/seasons or off leash on certain trails   Appropriate signage asking them to be "partners in the preservation of the privilege" to utilize the resource. etc. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Permits for motorized access for specific purposes (i.e. education/learning groups)   Weddings,Rodeos,Sport events like fun-runs/races, triathlon, or walks,Music concerts,Fundraisers,Education camps,Other (please describe): By permit and limited in total number and capacity per event. The exposure could provide good support for the area and revenue to help sustain. Some of these are definitely more impactful than others. I would trust a diversely balanced board to manage the requests and develop policy to guide the decision making. We need to work hard to keep the growing population respecting and feeling ownership in our natural world. It requires access and education in order to get people to fall in love with protecting our planet. It is risky but I would hope could be managed for a greater long term payoff in more enlightened members of society. See previous comment. Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Strongly Support Grants, Alumni donors (past visitors who want to support in a bigger than donation box way), targeting folks looking for tax deductions, looking for people who want to leave money as part of their legacy, etc. Yes, please explain: Thank you for everything that is being done in this effort.
204 I have read the background information. Frequent visitor (once/year) I view it,Other (please explain): I want to see it reserved in perpetuity. Other, please explain: I usually don't access it directly. No.   Potential conflicts would be if someone wants to develop a part, and the First Peoples feel that is a desecration of their elders (Incase they are buried there), or perhaps an invasion of their land/disrespect for their culture if artifacts are found/disturbed. Decisions on what to do with that land have to involve all stakeholders (previously stated as a goal). Not really...but others might know more than I do. Some will want no logging whatsoever. But that might not be reasonable. Compromise will be the name of the game. Not really. No       Depends on what recreation is allowed; for example, motorized ATVs might scare wildlife and damage local flora. That would be a concern. Rules governing recreation and what is defined as such would have to be drafted with stakeholder input., On Leash at all times   That's a hard one. The vast majority of folks follow the rules and observe No Trespassing requests. But there are always “those few” which ruin it for everyone, because they have no respect for others. Frequent benches/resting places,An electric shuttle system operating at designated days and times on existing roads,Discrete viewing sites/platforms   I am not in favor of special events.   No. My biggest concern for special events is who will be responsible for picking up litter, etc., to return it to the pristine condition in which it was found. Support Strongly Support Do Not Support Strongly Do Not Support   No.  
205 I have read the background information. Full-time resident Recreation Use,Other (please explain): Protecting open spaces for wildlife and other natureal resources. "Green Gate" on the lakeshore   Yes, please explain: Unleashed dog chasing deer. My gosh - I can easily identify dozens of conflicts. Too many to enumerate here. This needs to be thoroughly studied by an expert committee including native Americans (foremost), archeologists, cultural anthropologists, and land use planners. Both potential opportunities and potential conflicts. The key is to manage the landscape to preserve the diversity it currently has -- the capturing of opportunities and resolving of conflicts will flow from using that guidepost. Sure, retain forestry practices. But the devil is in the details. Where? How much? Again, manage for present-day diversity and for forest health, not for maximum commercial harvest. Possible conflicts, but severe conflicts would really only occur if grazing were to become more intense. I suppose trails may have to be fenced off to ensure safety of those walking trails. Retain current grazing practices with whatever management tools/improvements are necessary to protect public use of land. Yes Hiking,Skiing   Bikes need to slow down in the presence of other users and yield to other users. Bikers and hikers need to yield to horses. These and other rules need to be conspicuously posted.   On Leash at all times   Signage stating users MUST respect rights of private landowners/lands, under penalty of law. Frequent benches/resting places,Discrete viewing sites/platforms,Suggestions: Permits for electric vehicle access - for disabled and <8 years old - potentially okay if limited to no more than 15 days per year I am not in favor of special events.   Hold events and fundraisers at the bottom of the property, in a specially designated area developed for that purpose. No events elsewhere. Support Strongly Support Support Neutral   Yes, please explain: Make sure plant and wildlife ecologists are involved in all planning and decision-making. Their voices (and those of Native Americans) should be respected to the utmost. Support grazing and forestry practices but do not increase them.